i'm offering over the next month to burn copies for those that will send a blank dvd and return postage...

especially if you can show it to undecided voters.

there are no endorsements included in it's presentation, just facts that need to be disseminated.

no second party e-mails, etc will be accepted. This is solely for the users of this forum, and those they can enlighten.

by all means, anyone who'd like a copy, whether you've seen it or not, please pm me.

If you want more than one copy, I cannot help, but if you can do it on your own, I'd be delighted.

Happy New Year!

I already own the DVD, and have already given away several copies stating they may keep the copy if they wish, though I'd prefer they passed it on.

would you feel like taking some requests on?

Not really.

go figure...

Look, I already have plenty of projects and I already give the thing away.
Difference is I don't have to hassle with packaging and going to the post office.

That's what you want to do, I'm pleased and fully support your decision.
Only word of caution is to be careful how you advertize your copyright infringements.
The RIAA has been really cracking down this past year. Odds are you're fine, but why take risks?

Unless Moore himself has given permission to copy and distribute, as he did with 9/11.

Don't steal from Michael Moore!





Better yet, host a party/meet-up and have a viewing.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but here's my view...
a few years ago, After buying numerous copies of movies and cd's alike, and having them get scrached or broken or stolen by gilfriends when breaking up, i made a decision... The law allows you to make backup copies of copyrighted materials that you've purchased as long as you don't copy them for personal gain. i understand artists upset at their property rights being violated by p2p internet sharing, because then no one would buy their stuff... but I consider giving copies of things i've purchased to friends (in a non-mass download situation) as creating back-up copies for myself. not that i ever attach that caveat to them, but my friends, or those who share common interests, having recieved the originals from me are a safer repository for me to retrieve what i've purchased, should something unforseen happen, like my collection being lost in a fire, or stolen, or flooded, or what have you. In this case I not only get to make sure i get my purchased property back, but those holding the copies get a chance to be informed or entertained as well. The only things I share on bittorrent sites, etc are bands and films that explicitly allow their material to be distributed.

Perhaps we might want to consider TJ's position which represents the POAC, a for profit enterprise,
and one of his members on his for profit and licensed business is advocating an illegal activity and urging others to take advantage of the illegal activity?

In this case, personal opinion is not the issue and irrelivant.
In this case what matters is the law and remaining in business.

this isn't a matter of personal opinion, sky, this is a matter of law, and if you want to go making a big fuss out of this, and atrracting attention to a completely innocent activity, I'd consider it more of an issue than anything that i'm doing.

what, you've never given a copy of a tape to a friend?

I'm not advocating illegal activity, ass... I'm completely within my rights to make copies of materials I've bought. I'll drop it for now, And consider my offer null, but you might want to read up on your laws before you go accusing me of breaking them.

I wasn't making a fuss so much as i was speaking of caution and to consider the position of your host.





If I had, does that make it more legal?




If you are advocating the copy of copyrighted material without consent of the copyright owner, THAT'S illegal.
It doesn't matter if you own the original. According to the copyright laws as they have been interpreted lately, you own ONE copy. You have not purchased additional copies. This is why a business with many computers has to buy the rights to use a copy of the OS for each machine.

I would suggest you be a little more familier with the law before you assume you know the law.
I am absolutely no expert, but I do know this much.


Now, I do hope this has wadded your panties even tighter because frankly, you seem to deserve it.




Edit to add.......

I have been reading in the past few days in which RIAA has gone after people who made copies of their music for use in their ipod. I read that RIAA has launched something like 20,000 lawsuits the past several years. Mostly college students. You and I may not like this reality and you and I may think it's wrong, and if we were in our own house we might do as we wish, legal or otherwise. The deal is, at the moment we are in somebody else's house, and good manners and proper etiquette would indicate we be considerate of our host.



Links


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/31/ri...opies_computer/


http://www.thestate.com/business/story/271664.html


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071...authorized.html


http://www.williamsrecord.com/wr/?view=art...ews&id=9240


http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3714961

I'm not particularly comfortable with my forum being used as a platform to distribute copyrighted material, legal or not. But I'm really not cool with taking money out of independent film maker's pockets. I'd much prefer people stealing from mega-multi-nationals that take more than they give and avoid taxes through offshore accounts than from individuals trying to actually help and inform the public.

I appreciate your intent, Seuss, I really do. Your heart is in the right place.

Yeah, yeah. You've sold out to the borgeoise.

I was only concerned about the possible legal implications.
Odds are slim, but what if, ya know? I don't think TJ really want's the hassle.

I agree though and as I said before, the intention was a great idea.
The ONLY reason I said anything at all is, what if one of our visitors just happened to be a member of the RIAA, and a Republican that's a bit pissy that his conservative presidential choices all suck?

The other day I was at a protest and there was some guy giving away t-shirts with my graphics on them. I handled it as any good American should. And as I stood over his twitching gurgling limbless torso, I said, "Next time you'll sell out to the borgeoise, mutherf*cker!".

This thread reminds me that I need to see this movie. I think I will go buy it today.

Thanks for the reminder.

http://www.oldamericancentury.com/store_prima.htm

I'm just sayin'....

Giving the full copy of of the DVD violates the Fair Use protection. In fact, that law itself is a ridiculous mess that no one person can specifically give a clear outline of what is fair and what is not. Believe me, I've gone around and around with certain people and businesses regarding the use of theirs and others' material. I've also spent hundreds of hours researching the law and specific court cases regarding Fair Use. It's one of those behind-the-scenes unpleasantries that I have to handle without sharing the pleasure with my readers.

Of this I have zero doubt.

Fair enough. Was just trying to throw Seuss a line.
You work too hard!

You're tellin' me! ANd so much of what I've been doing for the past 6 months has shown no results and actually lowered the quality of what I produce for my readers. That'll change soon enough and I'll roll Project for the Old Americancen Century v2.0 off the showroom floor and there will be much merriment and rejoicing. But getting there is a killer.

Should we stock up on Champaign of beers?


Let us know if we can help.

Just hang in here with me while I get the new POAC up and running. And send beer. And strippers.

Oki doki boss!

If I can ever help, give me a shout. Though I suspect from what you say that your knowledge is ahead of mine at this point. But we do know one limit of fair use. As you say. Giving away or selling (without license) a full copy is NOT fair use.

Kinda know how you feel. I've spent the last 7 months trying to get my new business off the ground. Bloody hard work, and right now I have zero income and zero access to credit or funding. The business itself has LOTS of potential, and I'm not giving up... But my God, the 'meantime' is a nightmare!
A Helping Hand mark 2 will be ready to go in the spring (or summer?) at which point I'll send a case of finest single malt... or Navy Rum if you prefer.

Keep your chin up, TJ... It'll all be worth it in the end.

Thanks. I think you'd be pretty impressed, had you been in on the last conversation. Initially, I was given 24 hours to take down my copyrighted videos. They didn't mind if I had them, as long as they weren't hosted on their servers, so I took most of them off and hosted the rest from a third party. Then I gathered my resources and presented my argument to the tech guy who told me to take them off. He agreed with me but wanted me to talk to his supervisor. So I did. And he was convinced. But he wanted me to talk to his supervisor. This gradual climb up the chain of command went on for a few more levels until I was talking to a representative of the owner of the company. And he wouldn't budge. He knew I was in the right (and said as much), but he still stuck to his guns and still insisted that I not host any copyrighted material on their servers, even though the TOS states that only illegal use of copyrighted material is forbidden.

It appears that the owner of the company had sold out to the borgeoise.

Karen, I feel for you. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

around the release of f911 Moore gave me permission to distribute all of his movies At the time. I wonder if its still good.

Dunno, but several weeks after 9/11 was out he posted permission on his website

As far as I know, his offer for the public to reproduce and distribute was for ever.

So where does everyone's problem with me lie?

I'm still considering my offer null at this point, but considering this, why do we have problems? I recinded, both for POAC's sake, and the fact that there was no full version on google video, but if we could get clarification on this, I'd re-offer.

Thanks TJ. I appreciate the kind offer, but every thing will work out and in the meantime, I'm lucky enough to have a very supportive family.

You personally? No issue what so ever.


Legally, you may copy and distribute 9/11 because Mike says it's cool.
But until Mike says so, it's not cool to copy or distribute full copies of Sicko,
even though all of us really do appreciate the offer.

Mine was a personal email.

One of these days, maybe after Sicko has been on DVD for a while, maybe he'll ok Sicko the same as he did 9/11?

Maybe send him an e-mail and ask?