Speaking for myself, President Clintons presidential yardstick wasn't about the sex. But rather about the fact that he lied about the sex. It's an issue of credibility, not sexuality. Even though the right wing fundi's did make lots of noise.

I personally have zero issue with religion or religous people, as long as I don't have to sit and listen to them talk about it or get up early Saturday morning to answer the door only to tell these people to go away, that if I want to be saved I learned in a church a long time ago that all I have to do is say so.

I am not a religous person by any means. I am though very spiritual. I call myself an agnostic free thinker. (Free thinking is something the central power of the church of Rome has always feared)

Carter is a Southern Baptist, and I have no issue with that. I respect the man for his personal integrity, and because he walks his talk! I also believe that Carter had a truely inspirational vision for America but the Fascists capitalists beat crap outta him, and he never saw it comming.

Clinton made two major mistakes during his presidency. One was using the power of the position to creat situations for extra marital sex, and the other was to lie about it.

But again my personal opinion.
I will always prefer a president who's weenie works.
Aside from that, I think Clinton was a great President.

Religion isn't dangerous. Dangerous men with small minds who use it for their own reasons, that's where the danger lies!

About my sex life? I'd lie too. Most people would.

About bombing the shit out of innocent people....well, that wasn't Clinton's lie....that was the BFEE lie. Which is worse...not wanting to disclose a private moment or not disclosing the PNAC PLANS?

How many here have NOT had sex that wasn't "legal" in the church's eyes?
Or for that matter, legal in the lawbooks? In some states anything other than the missionary position is illegal even in your own home.

Notice I'm not raising my hand. I must be evil and a bad influence on Merkin values. Funny how not one person needed to have BLOW JOB explained to them.*
That's because we have ALL either given or received them.
Yet BCCI might as well be another radio station to the sheeples.

(*Except the sheeples to their kids who apparently were forced to watch the impeachment hearings from the trailer floor! Besides, their daddy had always told them not to tell anyone so those kids were so confused.)


Clinton in no way LEGITIMIZED extra-marital sex.
That's been going on since time began.
Clinton is now responsible for every blow job given or received since the dinosaurs?

How dare they even ask him about sex.
Each and every one of his "accusers" was involved in sex with their secretaries or divorcing their wives on their hospital beds or having lewd sex with unknown children in motels in strange cities.

Just have a gander at the MORAL VALUES of those sunzabitches.
Each and every one a lying sack of shit.

Check it out.
Um, Clinton is still married to the same woman....these guys?????

http://quinnell.us/politics/family.html



The difference is that Pukes don't turn on each other.
Dems do. Did Carter HAVE to rebuke Clinton. Did he just HAVE to?
Did his GOD make him do it? And didn't he lust after rabbits anyway.


I am a spiritual person too but not a hypocrite.
Religious nutjobs are hypocrites. So are most Republicans.
RINOs actually since the neocons have taken over the Republican Party.


If Clinton is not credible for trying to keep his sex life private then I too must plead guilty as charged and should be locked up as a liar.

I didn't say he was a bad president or a bad man. I voted for him and met his son Chip during the campaign. I think he's an honorable man.

But he did two things post-presidency that bug me....one was to vilify Clinton and the other was the way he treated Dean. No need for that sanctimonious shit from a Democrat.

He has done many excellent things since he was forced out of office by the Iranian hostage deal the Pukes made for St. Ronnie.

Yes, aware of TLC and Bilderberg and the New World Order but any new insights are always welcome.
Share at will....always interested in learning more. I learn a LOT here.
Life is just one big old learning experience.

Tell it, Stripey1:


I tend to do more research these days on Moon and the Fundie Rightwads;
along with following the foreign press and ignoring the merkin propaganda.

That wasn't my point.

Simply put, making no moral judgements of my own, he did lie and they made that the issue.

My own moral judgement is, no, I don't blame him. He was in the middle of the biggest witch hunt since McCarthy, and he was the sole target. (basicially) Plus, he hadn't done anything that wasn't very Humanly normal and a very private issue for him and his. However, my own yard stick! I place very little if anything on my totem of values higher than integrity! Believe me. If clinton could run again he'd without question have my vote! Even inspite of my personal values. He did good work and can motivate people.

Both Carter and Clinton are not 100% perfection. And is that a realistic goal? Perfection? Of all the presidents I have been personally familier with, these two are my favorites. The two I would like see stranded on Mars? The current and his idol, Reagon. Both were the reactionary follow ups to my Favs.

Watching how the American people "flip flop" is at least as much fun as watching the individuals!

Agreed, and you are right Clinton was not perfect, no president is but we all know we have the worst America can provide now....


Doc

I look at it this way.

Clinton used the same standards of truth as Newt Gingrich when it came to sex.

The Republicans didn't think Newt lied when he denied his affairs. Logivally, Clinto should've received the same standard (or Newt should've been raked over the coals).

Bill was betting on his status as the best Republican president this country ever had to save him.

Clinton forgot that a good portion of the Republican in Washington have skeletons in their closets. It's important for them to distract from their closets. The best way to do that is to focus on another's faults.

I think Bush's favorite philosopher said something about that but I'm sure the message got glossed over.

True, but we all know that President Clinton wasn't impeach because he had sex, or because he lied about having sex, or because he was set up to purger himself, no he was impeached because the Repressives hated him so much...plain and simple.


Doc