I have fallen in love with this song. I think i have heard it on average three times day for the last few weeks (a sure way to get sick of it eventually). I know a lot of you old folks don't like this band, i really don't either but i think the album this song came off it was amazing. Try it out, i know for a fact that none of you have anything better to do.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uI7NhSoGUkU

I actually have a ton of better stuff to do than listening to this over-hyped Beatles rip-off band of losers who wouldn't know originality if it leapt up and slapped them over the heads with a limited edition of the "White Album".

But if you like it, Jack, that's cool by me.
I'd be an even more pompous prick if I said that the Beatles are so far over the horizon of "musical genius" that Oasis can't even see their yellow submarine's wake......even though that is exactly what I think....

Seriously, listen to "Revolver" if you liked this.

"London Years" Rolling Stones may also interest you, if this style of hypnotic rock stirs you. Early Jagger and Richards, with songs like "Mother's little helper", "Street fighting man", "Sympathy for the devil"...wow, so much awesome stuff...even today it still sounds vital, raw and so utterly awesome, like it was recorded yesterday with spunk and phlegm !

I love the early 'Stones stuff, a darker, harder, faster, better, more version of the slightly softer and gentler Beatles, with sharper and grittier lyrics, real punk rock BEFORE the punks....

Rou's right, this is an even ore blatant Beatles rip-off than we usually get from Oasis... Still, at least the choose a great bsand to impersonate - gotta admire their marketing strategy, if not their creativity!

Sorry, Jack. It isn't a bad song, but the Beatles did this sot of thing MUCH better.

Fuck oasis. I feel the need to post this just to make up for the suckiness of that video.

And a couple more just for good measure.

how 'bout early floyd stuff... syd barret was a lunatic, but he sure knew how to make brilliant psychadelia!

hey, at least they willingly admit that they're aspiring to be the beatles... not that i like them or anything. what the hell is a wonderwall? streching a little bit for a rhyme, don't you think?

Good taste, Mr Greendude. Excepting that sucky chocolate song...

Yeah, early Floyd is great, in fact, everything with Roger Waters is awesome.
Syd Barrett's solo stuff is, er, interesting too, but may need medication to truly appreciate the full effect....

I lost interest in PF when Waters left, despite treasuring David Gilmour's eponymous self-titled solo album and "About face" and especially adoring "No way out of here", felt that Waters songwriting and tortured vocals were what really drew me to Floyd.

"Radio Kaos" is neat, by Waters, and "The pros and cons of hitch-hiking", as well, plus "Amused to death", but united they stood, divided they fell...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4SaWObc1dM

Oh yeah, Seuss, the "wonderwall" is a kids poster-clad bedroom wall with all the icons of their burgeoning interest in life plastered across it, either football (insert any other sport here..) idols, rock and pop stars, girls or boys, or any other form of youthfull hero worship.

Actually, I liked the imagery of the song "Wonderwall", a tribute to growing up with the Beatles as background noise and the kind of teenage pinned-up pop idolatry. It was just the nasal drone and irritating "rock-star" prattishness of the band that turned me off them, plus their lack of orginality. But hey, no-ones perfect....

Ben Harper is brilliant too !!

Try some Roy Harper, early English alternative artist, very, very good, and great songwriter, if you like Ben's style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Harper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhbWiyG0cls

Yeah, go back to your 130 year old music.

I never really thought they were just trying to be a Beatles cover band. However, i haven't heard any of their stuff outside of this song and this album, so maybe there is something i am missing. Of course i have heard beatles albums, including revolver, and nothing on it really sounded like this particular song to me. I think the two bands sound completely different, although i don't really listen to either one.

From what i can tell all of the anger towards Oasis comes from the media comparing the band to the beatles, i don't think the band actually ever said they were the next beatles. They admit they were influenced by them and the rolling stones but then again, is that really surprising coming from people who grow up in england in the 1970's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmsGon2vLew

Ah yes. I tried to find a torrent for this band but the only one they had was massive, since it was all of their albums. Does all of their music involve jazz like that? I'm not a fan of jazz anymore. It reminds me of a darker time....

well, um they are the "youngblood brass band" so the music involves brass instruments. a darker time? jazz? maybe its personal, but there's lots of different kinds of jazz...

I agree with everyone in this thread except Jack.
Oh, and I didn't mind that sucky Chocolate Rain song either.

try this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vybaQN9N6dw

Now you've lost me. - Bit too heavy on the jazz for my blood!

oh...

Its impossible to be heavy on the jazz for me!

Like that Fat Mama stuff !

I'm also a big Zappa fan for my sins...................

Good reasoning, Jack. Actually, the dislike of Oasis comes more from their cock-headed bungling of their "Wock star" status, as they tried to out-Zepplin Zepplin and out-Beatle the Beatles. They were the ones, smashed and stoned, slurring that they were "The gweatest wock and woll band on the fuckin' planet, maaan..." when it was pretty obvious that, er, they weren't. But then, they sold stack loads of discs to people who thought that they were hip and innovative, so WTF do I know....



I love John Coltrane as well....in fact, I just love music.

Coltrane and Monk, 2 of the greatest. I have a couple gigs of coltrane on my comp!

my favorite's mingus...
herbie hancock and dizzy are pretty high up there too.

Yeah, if he could sing he'd be fantastic.

Rous, greenie - i'm seeding a fat mama show through tradersden.org if you do the bittorrent thing.

It's been a while since I seeded my bittorrents. Maybe my herbles will need re-valving, and the guminjattarat has been feeding low since the horblewhip flared out in a megabyte quark-storm.

If you have a post-spectrum garblewonk analyser, maybe you could shoot me a line, 'cos I'm drowning here in the torrent. Look. There goes a bit......



Hey, iTunes is about as complicated as I get with downloading anything....


Love Charlie Mingus, and keep a bedside copy of "Kind of Blue", just to help me slide under.....

try reading this http://www.utorrent.com/beginners-guide.php

Now that's funny!

Thanks for the laugh Rou - been a rough evening, and it was much needed!

Back to Oasis for a second. I really don't understand why people say they try to act like the Beatles. I can understand if someone says the Rolling Stones but why the Beatles? I have heard a lot of Beatles songs and i just can not understand where people get that from. To me the two bands sound nothing a like. I can point to Oasis songs that sound like Rolling Stones songs or even AC/DC songs but i am dumbfounded when people bring up the Beatles.

It's the lyrical structures, and a general feeling of "sameness" between Oasis and the Beatles.
If you listen to the 'Stones, there is no way you could find any similarity between them and Oasis, in the same way that the Rolling Stones and the Beatles could never be confused.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/12/...l?from=storyrhs

Oasis seems to have attempted to immitate the 'Stones hedonism, and the Beatles "Revolver" and later, more rockier style, especially in the lyrical department. Which isn't surprising, considering the fact that Manchester and Liverpool are part of the "Oop North, like, chuck" region of England, and the cultural and industrial heritage is largely shared.
The 'Stones were Southern art school dandies, with a harder edge through Keith Richards exposure to raw blues power and Charlie Watts jazz drumming background, as well as Jagger's glorious lyrics and bohemian revolutionary culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones


But in the end (beautiful friend....) it all comes down to your own gut feeling. If you loved that song, and it struck a chord deep in you, go for it. Nothing says that you must remain pure to the root source, and the whole aim of rock was to flare out and rage against the machine, never locking itself into the frigid restrictions of classical music, but cultivating the free-flow and flexibilty of jazz with the core simplicity of blues and beating it's own path to your musical ears.

I'm a snobby purist, and it takes a fair bit to impress me. In fact, I have quite some difficulty in thinking of any recent bands that blew me away....shit, the last CD I bought was a best of "Blue Oyster Cult"......

they may not fit your style, but tool are brilliant muscians... are you familiar?

Music is a form or art.
And the same as with Poetry, or painting or sculpture,
it's all in the personal interpretation.

Beauty being in the eye, and ear of the beholder.




A world without music would be a very dark and lonely place.

First off, don't worry, it doesn't bother me that you guys don't like Oasis. Again, i have one album of theirs that i listen to and their other stuff i have heard was pretty boring. I'm not into "britpop" and the one i have is their only album that isn't.

Second, i disagree about Oasis not sounding like The Rolling Stones, at least from what i have heard from Oasis. Compare Standing on the Shoulder of Giants (the oasis album i have and the one that the song came off of) with Their Satanic Majesties Request. I think they sound more similar than any Beatles album you can find.

Then again, we could be paying attention to different things. You mention the lyrics are similar between the two band. Typically, i don't listen to lyrics. However, i focus a lot on the way the vocals sound, which i think are totally different between the two bands. The Beatles usually had several people singing synchronized lyrics, while the singing for Oasis is usually solo. Plus i think the vocals in beatles songs have that english accent in there which seems to be lost in many Oasis songs. Not all but some. Also, i think the vocals for Oasis are a deeper tone than that of the Beatles.

Jack, that's an interesting point you make.
I usually listen to the lyrics and the song at the same time. The rythym and tempo will draw me in, but it's true if the lyrics are crap, I wander off, losing interest. Hence my basic disdain of pop music. I loved the music of "I ran" by flock of seagulls, but found the lyrics ghastly, and the same went for "Hungry like the wolf" by Duran Duran. Oasis fit in somewhere around here.

Rage against the machine are awesome, despite not liking the vocalists voice, but being so into the lyrics and music that it cancels it out. Roxy Music are close to perfect, especially the earlier stuff, and I can't fault David Bowie.

Seuss, I have heard some Tool, but it's never been big over here on the alternative rock scene, I don't know why. I'll see if I can get hold of some and really listen to it. I like Smashing Pumpkins and Korn, too. There is some awesome stuff that has come out of the US in recent years, and I love my Nirvana unplugged for the raw power of Kurt's voice.

I think I shall go and listen to some Neil Young, 'cos I like Canadians too....

If you are looking for amazing lyrics, look into the Flaming Lips. Maybe you have already come across them, since they have been around since the early 1980's but they have lyrics that i actually pay attention to, which as i said, i not something i normally do.

if you can manage it, try Lateralus - the best album by far (its the second most-recent). It's full of spectacular instrumentals, and the lyrics are full of gnostic, alchemical, and hermetic references, and in opposition to the mood of their previous albums, are actually quite inspiring. The key is to listen to the tracks consecutively, without interruption, as they're one of the few artists that make full expressions from their albums(a lot like Floyd), rather than throwing together a collection of singles. Go ahead and skip track eight, "ticks and leeches" as they toss in a track on every album that castrates the idiots that think that they are sell-outs because they change their sound on every album.

It's in my top three, and i truely listen to every kind of music that you can think of. it might be worthwhile tooo loook up the lyrics first, if you want to understand them.

the band "Live" is worth checking out, too.

Jack,
good thread...

we might want to keep this going, now that the art and culture subforum is gone.

Isn't it funny that we didn't need the Art forum until it was gone? Maybe we should request a music forum?

Mmmm.

I like this. I've heard the name of the Flaming Lips before, but I don't have any memory of actually listening to them, though I'm sure I have.
I have "Yoshimi battles the pink robots" playing at the moment. Frankly, I like this. I'll start hunting down their stuff. And yeah, I like the lyrics. Very odd, very, simple, very complex. Very Jack.
Is that you, Jack White ??

The flaming lips

One Million Billionth of a Millisecond on a Sunday Morning Lyrics

Early in the mornin', just before the dawn
I turn my t.v. on and watch the fuzz
The sun scrapes away the first layers of the day
Nothing is meant; this is a beautiful accident
This could be the sunrise, or I could be wrong
'cause sometimes what looks like the sunrise
Turns out to be an atom bomb
Bombs are comin' in cereal packages (2x)
Early in the morning, just before the dawn
I turn my t.v. on and watch the fuzz

Thank you !

you can't always get what you want...
you can't always get what you want...
you can't always get what you want,
but if you try sometimes,
you just might find
you get what you ne-ed!
you get what need!
ooh yeaah
you get what you need.

Rousseau, look into their album "The Soft Bulletin". Its not my favorite but i have a friend who is more like you when it comes to listening to music and he swears by that album. It was actually named like the third best album on the 1990's by All Music Guide.

I have a few songs for you. These are the ones that i think are the best.

The W.A.N.D.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b3r46hDe6lI

Sound of Failure (Download)

http://download.yousendit.com/0449F069033783C1

Race for the Prize

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RVzkRQH8z-Y

Vein of Stars

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...9BB9D7C48F5A62A

Cool, thanks.
"In the morning of the magicians" is very Buffalo Springfield, and I like the Neil Young feel to their stuff, with some quirky and interesting musical arrangements. Wicked good !

Find anything else from them that you like?

One of the many great things about this band is that it can relax me no matter what is happening. Vein of Stars will always put me in a good mood.