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Governors lining up early for Oval Office

Tue Mar 1, 9:28 AM ET

Looking forward to 2008, parties weigh 'electability' factor of half a dozen governors.

By Linda Feldmann, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON - Perhaps Virginia Gov. Mark Warner's ears were tingling when President Bush (news - web sites) offered a toast to the nation's governors at a black-tie dinner last weekend.


"Many of our presidents have first served as governors," noted the former governor of Texas, who invoked the name of Thomas Jefferson, also a Virginian and the first governor to ascend to the US presidency.


At least a dozen other chief executives dining on beef tenderloin Sunday night probably felt that same frisson of possibility, given that four of the last five presidents were once governors. And with the 2008 presidential nominating races for both parties wide open, now is the time for dreamers. It seems wildly early, but in fact it isn't: All political eyes are already on Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, hosts of the earliest contests and states where potential contenders are already testing out themes and hiring campaign talent.


Ignore for a moment the Democrats' nominal front-runner, Sen. Hillary Clinton (news - web sites) of New York, who hasn't come close to saying she's running, but has nearly total name recognition and snap-of-the fingers fundraising clout. Already, the e-word - electability - has entered the conversation among activists, and if the early energy seeps away to someone who might have easier entree in the South than Mrs. Clinton, that's where Governor Warner's name comes in.


Warner is a Democrat running a Republican-leaning Southern state, and as chairman of the National Governors Association, which is holding its winter meeting here, this is his moment in the national spotlight. Like most governors who may have 2008 dreams, he sidesteps the "are you running" question, but is all over the more generic issue of what it takes for Democrats to win in red states.


The answer is,"the same as it takes for Republicans to win in blue states: an ability to work across party lines, to break on issues of conviction with the traditional orthodoxy in your national party," says the multimillionaire former businessman. "Most Americans are much more in the middle than pundits like to say.... That states are red or blue is just not the case."


Other Republican-leaning states with Democratic governors include New Mexico and Iowa - and perhaps not coincidentally, their chief executives also appear on short lists of possible presidential contenders. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, who is of Hispanic descent, has reportedly already told party leaders he will run. Tom Vilsack of Iowa, a finalist for the vice presidential slot in 2004, says he won't run for a third term as governor - which positions him to focus on possibly running for president.


"He's been focusing on an agenda in this state that would position him to run as a centrist Democrat," says Peverill Squire, a political scientist at the University of Iowa.


Governor Vilsack's agenda includes balancing his budget via spending cuts rather than tax increases, boosting economic development, and protecting K-12 education. "I think he's hoping to have things go well enough in next two years, so he leaves office with a record that doesn't haunt him on the trail," says Dr. Squire.


Govs. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee and Mike Easley of North Carolina - also both Democrats - have started appearing on lists, but there is less presidential buzz around them at the moment.


In the Republican camp, Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts may be the most overt about his presidential ambitions so far - judging by speaking engagements in early nominating states - though he denies he has made a decision. If he does decide to run, neighboring New Hampshire could prove problematic for him - and if it did, that could spell the end of a candidacy.


"Republicans in New Hampshire are asking, 'How could he be a true conservative Republican and be elected governor of Massachusetts?' " says New Hampshire-based pollster Dick Bennett.


In recent speeches outside Massachusetts, Governor Romney has appeared to try to shore up his conservative credentials by distancing himself from his state's liberalism on social policies - including gay marriage. But if he disses his state too much, that could make it hard to work with Democrats on the home front, which in turn could hurt his reelection chances in 2006, analysts say. A defeated governor hardly makes for an effective presidential candidate.


Also among the "mentioned" on the Republican side are Govs. Bill Owens of Colorado and Haley Barbour of Mississippi. In the last election, Republicans didn't do well in Colorado, which may limit Governor Owens's potential ambitions. As for the very Southern Governor Barbour, New Hampshire political analysts have a hard time seeing him playing well in their northern state.


"I don't see Haley Barbour as a door-to-door or living-room campaigner here," says political scientist Linda Fowler of Dartmouth College, mentioning other southern politicians in the recent past who haven't translated well in the Granite State, such as former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm.


No list of GOP governors thinking of running would be complete without New York's George Pataki, but for now the conventional wisdom holds that any Republican who favors abortion rights can't win the GOP nomination. So for now, that also rules out one of the party's most popular figures, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.


In the realm of famous Republican governors who insist they're not running - and may actually mean it - there's Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) of California and Jeb Bush of Florida. Speaking on "Meet the Press" Sunday, Governor Schwarzenegger stated flatly that "my goal is not to run for president," then seemed to back that up by refusing to answer any questions that didn't have to do with California. The Austrian-born actor also maintains he is not behind any of the efforts to amend the Constitution to allow naturalized citizens to run for president.


Governor Bush of Florida, brother of the president, has also said no to 2008. Some political analysts think this is a wise choice, surmising that the American public may be tired of the Bush family by the time the current President Bush finishes his term. But some Republicans are hoping he will change his mind.


Catherine
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At least a dozen other chief executives dining on beef tenderloin Sunday night



Now, if there is a rash of Democrat governors getting sick from Mad Cow disease, we'll know exactly where it came from! twisted.gif

Catherine
Seamus
I'd like a real Democrat to run in 2008. None of this bogus "centrist" ("right" wingers need not apply) DLC Corporatist horse hockey.

And for heaven's sake, ship Lieberman over to the GOP and be rid of him.

Could we clone Paul Wellstone? biggrin.gif (No disrespect intended)
Libertas
Wesley Clark or a Southern Governor. That's our best odds of winning.
sky of mind
QUOTE (Seamus @ Tuesday, 1 March 2005, 4:19 pm)
I'd like a real Democrat to run in 2008.  None of this bogus "centrist" ("right" wingers need not apply) DLC Corporatist horse hockey.

And for heaven's sake, ship Lieberman over to the GOP and be rid of him.

Could we clone Paul Wellstone?  biggrin.gif  (No disrespect intended)


We need a strong well spoken candidate.
One that seems like the guy or gal next door, yet oozes political savey.
They must be from the south, (any state other than Texas) or middle America.
I also believe people want a woman president.
The frame image is that men are lying dishonest power hungry crooks.
Maybe a woman will have better moral values. (and not sit around all day with the remote in her hand)

If Boxer were from Nebraska, she'd be a shoe in!
But she's from Calif. Not a chance!

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rexateyfor
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Tuesday, 1 March 2005, 9:46 pm)
QUOTE (Seamus @ Tuesday, 1 March 2005, 4:19 pm)
I'd like a real Democrat to run in 2008.  None of this bogus "centrist" ("right" wingers need not apply) DLC Corporatist horse hockey.

And for heaven's sake, ship Lieberman over to the GOP and be rid of him.

Could we clone Paul Wellstone?   biggrin.gif   (No disrespect intended)


We need a strong well spoken candidate.
One that seems like the guy or gal next door, yet oozes political savey.
They must be from the south, (any state other than Texas) or middle America.
I also believe people want a woman president.
The frame image is that men are lying dishonest power hungry crooks.
Maybe a woman will have better moral values. (and not sit around all day with the remote in her hand)

If Boxer were from Nebraska, she'd be a shoe in!
But she's from Calif. Not a chance!

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Wishfull thinking but id belive that Boxer may have a plane accident or a sking accident before she even got the chance to run
King Fisher
My money is on Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N. Mexico as President, and Gov. Tom Velsack, D-Iowa as VP.

My logic on this is two ways. We would gain with Richardson being Hispanic decent and a southern Governor, plus the fact he would pull New Mexico back into a blue state.

Giving Tom Velsack is a strong democrat from the farm belt(Iowa)and too, bring that state back into blue. All these factors, plus the facts we keep the blue states that we won in 2004.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (King Fisher @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 6:06 am)
My money is on Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N. Mexico as President, and Gov. Tom Velsack, D-Iowa as VP.

My logic on this is two ways. We would gain with Richardson being Hispanic decent and a southern Governor, plus the fact he would pull New Mexico back into a blue state.

Giving Tom Velsack is a strong democrat from the farm belt(Iowa)and too, bring that state back into blue. All these factors, plus the facts we keep the blue states that we won in 2004.

Let's hope so I sure as hell don't want Kerry, didn't want him the first time....


Doc
King Fisher
I agree on Kerry, Doc. I would have preferred Wes Clark, and John Edwards, or Clark and Velsack..
John Kerry had too many sea bags to carry, and we old Navy men know you don't give the ammo the emeny to shoot you out of the water.

The Kerry's Vietnam war record was too much to overcome, and we know the Swift Boats Lier's knew how to bring that back into focus.

The strategy should be for the Democrat party is to gain blue states and not be concerned with popularity... A new mix to gain blue states.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (King Fisher @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 7:46 am)
I agree on Kerry, Doc. I would have preferred Wes Clark, and John Edwards, or Clark and Velsack..
John Kerry had too many sea bags to carry, and we old Navy men know you don't give the ammo the emeny to shoot you out of the water.

The Kerry's Vietnam war record was too much to overcome, and we know the Swift Boats Lier's knew how to bring that back into focus.

The strategy should be for the Democrat party is to gain blue states and not be concerned with popularity... A new mix to gain blue states.

Exactly, KF, we need to ensure that when the Repressives sling mud, damage control and sling back. Everyone knows you can't keep on taking battle damage and do nothing, eventually you are going to sink, you need to either attack and hit hard or retreat. I'm for attack and hitting hard, sink the bastards before they sink you.....

Hey KF ever had to get a can of steam for the catapaults before.... wink.gif


Doc
Seamus
QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 10:26 am)
Hey KF ever had to get a can of steam for the catapaults before.... wink.gif


Doc

I can bring a bucket of Prop Wash! laugh.gif
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Seamus @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 9:19 am)
QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 10:26 am)
Hey KF ever had to get a can of steam for the catapaults before.... wink.gif


Doc

I can bring a bucket of Prop Wash! laugh.gif

...or how about the "mail bouy" watch.... laugh.gif


doc
Rakshasa
QUOTE (sky of mind @ Tuesday, 1 March 2005, 8:46 pm)
QUOTE (Seamus @ Tuesday, 1 March 2005, 4:19 pm)
I'd like a real Democrat to run in 2008.  None of this bogus "centrist" ("right" wingers need not apply) DLC Corporatist horse hockey.

And for heaven's sake, ship Lieberman over to the GOP and be rid of him.

Could we clone Paul Wellstone?   biggrin.gif   (No disrespect intended)


We need a strong well spoken candidate.
One that seems like the guy or gal next door, yet oozes political savey.
They must be from the south, (any state other than Texas) or middle America.
I also believe people want a woman president.
The frame image is that men are lying dishonest power hungry crooks.
Maybe a woman will have better moral values. (and not sit around all day with the remote in her hand)

If Boxer were from Nebraska, she'd be a shoe in!
But she's from Calif. Not a chance!

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If Boxer were from Nebraska, she wouldn't even be in office. mad.gif These are the people that get pissed off at Hagel for speaking out against Bush and call Ben Nelson a left-wing wacko.
shoeless
Bill Richardson is a great choice. I love Barbara boxer, but, as Sky of Mind said, being from California, she doesn't have a chance.

How about my great Senator from Illinois, Dick Durbin? He has been giving the Republicans hell in the Judiciary Committee on Bush's nominations.
Seamus
QUOTE (shoeless @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 11:40 am)
How about my great Senator from Illinois, Dick Durbin? He has been giving the Republicans hell in the Judiciary Committee on Bush's nominations.

Durbin, great choice. One of the few reasonably liberal Dems that has had the balls to stand up the Bushco A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Banana Republicans Inc.

We have to keep him and Obama off of small airplanes. We don't want an "accident" to happen, now do we? rolleyes.gif Or has anyone yet figured out that what happened to Wellstone was just a bit too convenient?

(shoeless?... must be a Sox fan. biggrin.gif )
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Seamus @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 10:24 am)
Durbin, great choice. One of the few reasonably liberal Dems that has had the balls to stand up the Bushco A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Banana Republicans Inc.

We have to keep him and Obama off of small airplanes. We don't want an "accident" to happen, now do we? rolleyes.gif Or has anyone yet figured out that what happened to Wellstone was just a bit too convenient?

(shoeless?... must be a Sox fan. biggrin.gif )

Sox fans are the greatest...I should know I'm one of them.... laugh.gif


Doc
Seamus
QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 12:34 pm)
Sox fans are the greatest...I should know I'm one of them.... laugh.gif


Doc

Sadly, in Chicago, they are the wrong color! wink.gif

I get evil looks here in Chicago when I say I like my Sox of the Red variety.

But I don't follow hockey much. tongue.gif

My son's the sports fan.
shoeless
QUOTE ("Seamus")
(shoeless?...  must be a Sox fan.  biggrin.gif  )


Good call! clap.gif

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Seamus
QUOTE (shoeless @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 1:58 pm)
QUOTE ("Seamus")
(shoeless?...  must be a Sox fan.  biggrin.gif  )


Good call! clap.gif

Shoeless...

He got a bum rap.

Think of this. He stood up to corrupt power and got screwed. I consider him a labor hero.
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Seamus @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 1:42 pm)

Good call! clap.gif [/QUOTE]
Shoeless...

He got a bum rap.

Think of this. He stood up to corrupt power and got screwed. I consider him a labor hero.

Yup.....


Doc
Seamus
And speaking of cleaning up the Democratic Party and getting it back on track to serve the interest of the citizens and not the Corporatocracy.

I especially like the basket hanging off the rear end of the Elephant.

Shouldn't crazy old Zell Miller be up there with the Chimperor?

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Catherine
How about a John Edwards and Wesley Clark ticket? Hell, just as long as we get a good Democrat back in the White House, I'm not going to be choosy, as long as it's not Kerry running again.

I hope Barbara Boxer will be named as Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense once we get sanity back in Washington.

Catherine
Panda
I dunno, a lot can change in four years.

Howzabout we impeach these bastards first?
Convict them and give Gore back HIS White House.
It's the only fair thing to do.
Then 2008 is another story altogether.

Our namby pamby reps won't do this for us so we'll have to rise up as a nation and insist upon impeachment hearings.
Fucking losers.
user posted image

Wait, there has to be a dick or two involved.
Could Gan/Guck be the tip of the Cockgate hearings?

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Catherine
love.gif clap.gif

Do you suppose Jeff Gannon was somewhere in the room when that interview was taking place?

Oh, I can't stop laughing... laugh.gif

Catherine
Seamus
Damn,

Those am scary legs. laugh.gif
Panda
QUOTE (Catherine @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 5:55 pm)
love.gif  clap.gif

Do you suppose Jeff Gannon was somewhere in the room when that interview was taking place?

Oh, I can't stop laughing... laugh.gif

Catherine

I believe Gannon is under the desk awaiting his turn. twisted.gif
Dr. Left
QUOTE (Panda @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 9:07 pm)
QUOTE (Catherine @ Wednesday, 2 March 2005, 5:55 pm)
wub.gif  clap.gif

Do you suppose Jeff Gannon was somewhere in the room when that interview was taking place?

Oh, I can't stop laughing... laugh.gif

Catherine

I believe Gannon is under the desk awaiting his turn. twisted.gif

Actually he had his turn and waiting for a second turn....


Doc
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