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Highstreet
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Ron Paul SPAMmers Spam local Charity With a Wall of Food

While Ron Paul visited Spartanburg South Carolina to deliver a one-hour plus speech to potential voters, his supporters were taking a little action of their own. Over and over it has been said that all of Ron Paul's supporters are not real people but simply a few spammers because no news station can quite understand that the man generally draws interest in his stances on non-interventionism, limited government, and a return to liberties that have been lost over the last administration.

Instead of heralding this man of principle and picking up on the overwhelming thirst Americans seem to have for Ron Paul's message, the mainstream media instead pretends it is not real. When Ron Paul takes a commanding lead in a debate poll, the media giants claim that he must have only a few supporters who are "spamming" the polls. When he comes out ahead on Internet polls, pollsters take his name off the list of choices because they accuse his supporters of "skewing" their numbers (by somehow refusing to cooperate and let the shows reflect the pollsters opinions rather than the people's.)

By now most Ron Paul supporters have grown a pretty thick skin and are used to being called spammers. This weekend, instead of griping about the usual unfair media treatment, a group of these "fictitious" persons decided to use the unflattering moniker to help a group of needy children. In a move as generous and kind as Ron Paul himself, these "non-existing" supporters decided to not only attend the Spartanburg rally, but to bring a present for a local charity as well: SPAM. These "non-entities" managed in one and half days, to put a large food drive together, gathered all of the funds for the event, and found several kind supporters willing to drive the trucks and bring in the food in Ron Paul's honor.

They arrived in multiple waves on Saturday morning until noon, 7/21/07, with their generous donation for the Spartanburg Children's Shelter. The name and address for the shelter was also posted for supporters who wanted to give money directly to the charity. By noon, several supporters were there to help stack the food into a 3 foot high by 8 foot long wall of cans and boxes (only a few cans were actually Spam, the supporters felt that variety was better for the health of the children. No offense meant to the Spam company.) By the time all of the trucks had arrived sporting food, crayons and coloring books, the Spartanburg Children's Shelter had experienced some of their own shock and awe. The volunteers, as some report, had tears in their own eyes as they gave the goodies away.

When you stop to think about it, this was an amazing thing to do in only a few days. The idea was first sprouted at 10:55pm on 7/18/2007. The idea was kicked around and at 3:33am on 7/19/07 the first donations began rolling in. By 7/21/2007, the Spartanburg Children's Shelter had a ton of food in their pantry. These are grassroots supporters of Ron Paul, not paid volunteers. They had no input or help from the official Ron Paul campaign. In fact, since Ron Paul has outgrown his headquarters, the Ron Paul headquarters were closed while they were moving to their new site, and there was no possibility of contacting anyone from the campaign to let them know this was happening. Nevertheless, these supporters carried on.

People from all over the country donated $5, $10, $20, or more to the cause and very shortly they had over $500 dollars donated, but they had less than a day to drive to Spartanburg, purchase the food, meet up at the Charity and give the food away. The loyal supporters (who supposedly do not exist) called ahead and rushed to a supermarket and purchased food and toys for the shelter with four pickups to carry all of the loot and donate it to the shelter.

This is the kind of spirit that Ron Paul invokes in his supporters or rather this is the kind of person who believes in Ron Paul's message. They are honest to goodness real people who truly support Dr. Paul and his message of live and liberty and freedom for all. This includes taking care of the needy, not with other people's money, but with their own hard earned cash, to help people worse off than them. This was a group of regular Ron Paul supporters who decided to let their presence be known by donating and volunteering to a children's shelter. So now the media can add to their list accusations of Ron Paul supporters that they spam polls, spam the Internet, and even SPAM a children's shelter.

Well done folks, you are an inspiration to us all.


This went on across the country. These RP supporters have to be stopped. It's terrible when people help their communities. rolleyes.gif
POAC
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 2:35 pm) *
http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-072307.html
This went on across the country. These RP supporters have to be stopped. It's terrible when people help their communities. rolleyes.gif


When will this tyranny end???!!?!

That's awesome.
Jubal
QUOTE(POAC @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 4:21 pm) *
When will this tyranny end???!!?!

I figure the delusion will persist through Super Tuesday. That should be about the end of it, though. Maybe a couple months of whining.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 2:19 pm) *
I figure the delusion will persist through Super Tuesday. That should be about the end of it, though. Maybe a couple months of whining.




Then will the Ron Paul Spammers be so eager to help the community?
Jubal
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Instead of heralding this man of principle and picking up on the overwhelming thirst Americans seem to have for Ron Paul's message

I wasn't aware licking Paul's ass was the responsibility of the mainstream media. And I'm sure he has enough volunteers for that.
seuss
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 6:09 pm) *
I wasn't aware licking Paul's ass was the responsibility of the mainstream media. And I'm sure he has enough volunteers for that.


What, the Con. Lawyer has a problem wiith the guy who endoorses the constiitution? (once again, I'm not endorsing Paul.)

I'd like to hear your cocise arguments against the guy...

you probably won't give them unless I challenge you...

eidt to add - that's "concise".
Jubal
QUOTE(seuss @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 7:11 pm) *
What, the Con. Lawyer has a problem wiith the guy who endoorses the constiitution? (once again, I'm not endorsing Paul.)

I'd like to hear your cocise arguments against the guy...

you probably won't give them unless I challenge you...

eidt to add - that's "concise".

No, dipshit, I had a problem with the story implying the mainstream media had an obligation to "herald" Paul.
seuss
QUOTE(Jubal @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 7:20 pm) *
No, dipshit, I had a problem with the story implying the mainstream media had an obligation to "herald" Paul.

i s
uppose that's fair, but the name-calling is beneath you.
sky of mind
QUOTE(seuss @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 4:21 pm) *
i s
uppose that's fair, but the name-calling is beneath you.




Sometimes it's morally wrong but intellectually appropriate.
seuss
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 11:46 pm) *
Sometimes it's morally wrong but intellectually appropriate.



dipshit.
sky of mind
QUOTE(seuss @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 8:52 pm) *
dipshit.




see what I mean?
Jubal
QUOTE(seuss @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 7:21 pm) *
i s
uppose that's fair, but the name-calling is beneath you.

Before I was a big-shot Constitutional lawyer, I was a career sergeant. The skills and vocabulary I picked up during that time are often very useful in the rough-and-tumble world of law.
Jubal
QUOTE(seuss @ Tuesday, 27 November 2007, 7:21 pm) *
i s
uppose that's fair, but the name-calling is beneath you.

Coming from the man who thought "clit-ton" was a great idea, that's just hysterical!
Boot
Personally I think it's good that they helped a community, but they shouldn't have made it a political thing.


Seek not the glory of men, let thy works be in secret.
Jubal
QUOTE(Boot @ Wednesday, 28 November 2007, 10:21 am) *
Personally I think it's good that they helped a community, but they shouldn't have made it a political thing.
Seek not the glory of men, let thy works be in secret.

But keep thee also the receipts, that thy taxes may be diminished all thy days.
Boot
QUOTE(Jubal @ Wednesday, 28 November 2007, 8:23 am) *
But keep thee also the receipts, that thy taxes may be diminished all thy days.



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Highstreet
QUOTE(Boot @ Wednesday, 28 November 2007, 10:21 am) *
Personally I think it's good that they helped a community, but they shouldn't have made it a political thing.
Seek not the glory of men, let thy works be in secret.



There's just no pleasing you, is there?

Some people think up a way to make their annual donations to charity count double. Once where it really matters, for those who need it, and twice as a way to get much needed media coverage for the candidate they believe in.

And all you want to do is pee in their cheerios. wink.gif

You do realize these are everyday Americans, not saints, right?
Boot
My concern is that they did the service for the wrong reason.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Boot @ Thursday, 29 November 2007, 6:49 am) *
My concern is that they did the service for the wrong reason.




Don't get us wrtong high guy, ALL of us appreciate this activity,
however, Boot is 100% accurate in his assessment.
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Boot @ Thursday, 29 November 2007, 6:49 am) *
My concern is that they did the service for the wrong reason.


There are wrong reasons, and wrong reasons.
In fact, "because I'll feel better" is itself a not wholly selfless reason.
Or "because God will reward me when I die?" That's thinking of yourself, again.

Not that I don't believe in charity, but I don't worry about the purity of their motives. Nor do I see this as something that it isn't. They did a good thing, once.

I see it as guerrilla advertising, actually.
sky of mind
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Thursday, 29 November 2007, 12:56 pm) *
There are wrong reasons, and wrong reasons.
Very few people do things for truly selfless reasons.
In fact, "because I'll feel better" is itself a not wholly selfless reason.
Or "because God will reward me when I die?" That's thinking of yourself, again.

Not that I don't believe in charity, but I don't worry about the purity of their motives. Nor do I see this as something that it isn't. They did a good thing, once.

I see it as guerrilla advertising, actually.




Sorry, but many times people do this sort of thing for no other reason than that it needs to be done.
We don't all do these sorts of things for the reward of instant gratification.
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 29 November 2007, 12:59 pm) *
Sorry, but many times people do this sort of thing for no other reason than that it needs to be done.
We don't all do these sorts of things for the reward of instant gratification.


Ok, no argument.
Highstreet
QUOTE(Boot @ Thursday, 29 November 2007, 9:49 am) *
My concern is that they did the service for the wrong reason.



They, and millions of others do this every year. Tacking RP on to it to help boost a man who supports this kind of activity in his own life and promotes it in his political one sets a good example. Making the link to his charitable character for those who don't know him is important in a day and age of Sound bites and Self important pompous asses running for public office.

When you look into Paul's background and realize he started his career as a physician in a Charitable Clinic offering free services and his take home pay was $3 per hour, that says a lot about a person.
Jubal
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Friday, 30 November 2007, 5:48 pm) *
They, and millions of others do this every year. Tacking RP on to it to help boost a man who supports this kind of activity in his own life and promotes it in his political one sets a good example. Making the link to his charitable character for those who don't know him is important in a day and age of Sound bites and Self important pompous asses running for public office.

When you look into Paul's background and realize he started his career as a physician in a Charitable Clinic offering free services and his take home pay was $3 per day, that says a lot about a person.

Now THAT I will check. If true, that makes him and Obama the only two I know of who ever did anything for any reason other than money and power.

I don't dislike Paul. What I dislike is the fawning attitude I see from his supporters.

Here's a specific question. Paul has said that in his first week in office, he'll shut down the IRS. So how will he collect taxes? The budget can't be modified the way it needs to be in a week, or even in a year. Is Paul lying, or does he have a plan?
maxanne
The story is self aggrandizing, worshipful, self pitying bullshit.

Just fyi - Congressman Dennis Kucinich and his wife spent 3 hours at a shelter for homeless veterans in NH on Thanksgiving Day. No press releases. No fanfare.
seuss
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Friday, 30 November 2007, 5:48 pm) *
They, and millions of others do this every year. Tacking RP on to it to help boost a man who supports this kind of activity in his own life and promotes it in his political one sets a good example. Making the link to his charitable character for those who don't know him is important in a day and age of Sound bites and Self important pompous asses running for public office.

When you look into Paul's background and realize he started his career as a physician in a Charitable Clinic offering free services and his take home pay was $3 per day, that says a lot about a person.


so how does a bunch of paul voters giving food change the fact that if he were elected, he'd shut down all assistance programs? Hell, you live in this country too - do you think that because americans were no longer paying into government programs to aid the impoverished, they'd start volunteering and donating of their own free will? excuse me for being cynical, but we're a country of typically greedy bastards, and the majority of people i meet on a daily basis would have to carry a tape recording of "get a job' so their voices didn't get hoarse if the man were elected, including most paul voters. How do you figure that miniscule government and overall drasticly reduced taxes, coupled with the gigantic debt, and the swarms about to retire would help the poor in the (eight?) years the guy could stay in office?

he can't give healthcare at three dollars an hour to every medicare recipient in the us.

I don't think that he could face the consequences of his election, and I think he knows he won't be elected. He's trying to make a point, and drain support from the other bloodthirsty fuckers that have nailed the right wing to a burning cross.

I applaud him for his effort, but to take him seriously as a contender is a mistake.

i believe his stance on the fed derserves attention, as does his strict adherance to the constitution, and I applaud his stance on the war. He's got chutzpah, and a stance that make idealogical sense - and he'd make a good VICE president to Kucinich, but his presindecy would mean the death of every vestage of compassion that we have as a nation. He's got good ideas, but so did Marx. how did that work out?
sky of mind
QUOTE(maxanne @ Friday, 30 November 2007, 6:08 pm) *
The story is self aggrandizing, worshipful, self pitying bullshit.

Just fyi - Congressman Dennis Kucinich and his wife spent 3 hours at a shelter for homeless veterans in NH on Thanksgiving Day. No press releases. No fanfare.




Walkin the talk, without talkin the walk. That's respectable!
Highstreet
QUOTE(Jubal @ Friday, 30 November 2007, 6:08 pm) *
Now THAT I will check. If true, that makes him and Obama the only two I know of who ever did anything for any reason other than money and power.

I don't dislike Paul. What I dislike is the fawning attitude I see from his supporters.

Here's a specific question. Paul has said that in his first week in office, he'll shut down the IRS. So how will he collect taxes? The budget can't be modified the way it needs to be in a week, or even in a year. Is Paul lying, or does he have a plan?



I understand about the supporters. I put an explanation here:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bb/index...st&p=113084
============================================
to your question:

I think that was a joke or hyperbole to show intention.

He has realistically answered the question in a number of interviews, because you cannot explain it in a 30 sec. answer at a debate. He is a realist and explains that this kind of change would take time, and have to be passed thru congress. You are correct, the kind of changes in funding and spending are ones that would take years to enact.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Sunday, 2 December 2007, 10:04 am) *
I understand about the supporters. I put an explanation here:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bb/index...st&p=113084
============================================
to your question:

I think that was a joke or hyperbole to show intention.

He has realistically answered the question in a number of interviews, because you cannot explain it in a 30 sec. answer at a debate. He is a realist and explains that this kind of change would take time, and have to be passed thru congress. You are correct, the kind of changes in funding and spending are ones that would take years to enact.





Once again you posted the same link.
Once again the thread has become about promoting a Right Wing Republican Candidate.



And then there's this......


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I don't dislike Paul. What I dislike is the fawning attitude I see from his supporters.




The ORIGINAL post talked about the public service of some RP supporters, and the threat about civil service has become just another Paul thread.

In other words, you don't care about the hungry people who needed the food nearly as much as you valued the press the effort created.
Highstreet
QUOTE(seuss @ Friday, 30 November 2007, 10:31 pm) *
so how does a bunch of paul voters giving food change the fact that if he were elected, he'd shut down all assistance programs? Hell, you live in this country too - do you think that because americans were no longer paying into government programs to aid the impoverished, they'd start volunteering and donating of their own free will? excuse me for being cynical, but we're a country of typically greedy bastards, and the majority of people i meet on a daily basis would have to carry a tape recording of "get a job' so their voices didn't get hoarse if the man were elected, including most paul voters. How do you figure that miniscule government and overall drasticly reduced taxes, coupled with the gigantic debt, and the swarms about to retire would help the poor in the (eight?) years the guy could stay in office?

he can't give healthcare at three dollars an hour to every medicare recipient in the us.

I don't think that he could face the consequences of his election, and I think he knows he won't be elected. He's trying to make a point, and drain support from the other bloodthirsty fuckers that have nailed the right wing to a burning cross.

I applaud him for his effort, but to take him seriously as a contender is a mistake.

i believe his stance on the fed derserves attention, as does his strict adherance to the constitution, and I applaud his stance on the war. He's got chutzpah, and a stance that make idealogical sense - and he'd make a good VICE president to Kucinich, but his presindecy would mean the death of every vestage of compassion that we have as a nation. He's got good ideas, but so did Marx. how did that work out?


He doesn't have control over assistance programs as president. Every domestic agenda item he has would take years to phase in. That and the laws and reforms would have to be passed thru congress.

Baby steps getting people to be a little less dependent every year (if the congress let it happen), and giving them some of their taxes back, thus allowing them to phase in State size social programs that would fill the void, if the state so chose. I am sure there would be any number of variations of state plans from what is currently available, all the way to the "Norway" example from Sicko. These programs work much more efficiently at the State level anyway. People would get better services per dollar from taxes. And if you don't like the level of service you have, then move to a state that has More or Less, whichever you want.

Our compassion as a nation, and as part of our heritage, does not come from the Govt.

Nor does it make much sense to send it to Washington before it helps the people down the street from us.
sky of mind
so sayeth the church of Paul.


Ya know the forum isn't intended to be a political platform for individual candidates.
We can and are encouraged to talk about who we do and don't like.
However, quite clearly from day one you have been and you are proselytizing Paul.
Highstreet
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Sunday, 2 December 2007, 2:13 pm) *
Once again you posted the same link.
Once again the thread has become about promoting a Right Wing Republican Candidate.
And then there's this......
The ORIGINAL post talked about the public service of some RP supporters, and the threat about civil service has become just another Paul thread.

In other words, you don't care about the hungry people who needed the food nearly as much as you valued the press the effort created.



I can't respond to a comment or answer a question without you complaining that it was about Ron Paul. Even when the comment or question is directly about Ron Paul???? What are you, the "Ron Paul Police"?

You really are petty.

Some people in this world are genuinely good. They have character and integrity. Why that offends you is beyond me.

I give my own time, food, and service once every few months. My roommate works for Columbus Coalition for the Homeless. I did City Year/ Americorps when I was in college.

Take your whiney ass, Self Righteous, arrogant BS and go PM Maxanne......I'm sure she might actually care. rolleyes.gif

sky of mind
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Sunday, 2 December 2007, 9:54 pm) *
I can't respond to a comment or answer a question without you complaining that it was about Ron Paul. Even when the comment or question is directly about Ron Paul???? What are you, the "Ron Paul Police"?

You really are petty.

Some people in this world are genuinely good. They have character and integrity. Why that offends you is beyond me.

I give my own time, food, and service once every few months. My roommate works for Columbus Coalition for the Homeless. I did City Year/ Americorps when I was in college.

Take your whiney ass, Self Righteous, arrogant BS and go PM Maxanne......I'm sure she might actually care. rolleyes.gif



heh heh thumbup.gif Gotta love that emotion.
maxanne
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Monday, 3 December 2007, 12:54 am) *
I can't respond to a comment or answer a question without you complaining that it was about Ron Paul. Even when the comment or question is directly about Ron Paul???? What are you, the "Ron Paul Police"?

You really are petty.

Some people in this world are genuinely good. They have character and integrity. Why that offends you is beyond me.

I give my own time, food, and service once every few months. My roommate works for Columbus Coalition for the Homeless. I did City Year/ Americorps when I was in college.

Take your whiney ass, Self Righteous, arrogant BS and go PM Maxanne......I'm sure she might actually care. rolleyes.gif


You're the whiner, Highstreet. You've done nothing but whine since you appeared on this forum for the sole purpose of verbally fellating Ron Paul.

Some people are genuinely good. They don't do it to win awards, or recieve public acclaim.

Some people go to great lengths to be VERY VISIBLY GOOD so that they'll get good press, and a big ole pat on the back.
Highstreet
QUOTE(maxanne @ Monday, 3 December 2007, 1:15 pm) *
You're the whiner, Highstreet. You've done nothing but whine since you appeared on this forum for the sole purpose of verbally fellating Ron Paul.

Some people are genuinely good. They don't do it to win awards, or recieve public acclaim.

Some people go to great lengths to be VERY VISIBLY GOOD so that they'll get good press, and a big ole pat on the back.



You can't see the difference between ordinary Americans pointing out Paul's charity and good character, and Paul tooting his own horn? rolleyes.gif
maxanne
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Monday, 3 December 2007, 2:32 pm) *
You can't see the difference between ordinary Americans pointing out Paul's charity and good character, and Paul tooting his own horn? rolleyes.gif


False dilemna/fallacy.

Go back and read the story that began the thread.

Highstreet
QUOTE(maxanne @ Monday, 3 December 2007, 3:09 pm) *
False dilemna/fallacy.

Go back and read the story that began the thread.



Good people trying to honor a good person.

The fact that you don't agree with him on some issues has little to do with his character.
maxanne
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Wednesday, 5 December 2007, 2:51 pm) *
Good people Whiny self aggrandizers trying to honor a good person show how persecuted and noble they are.


fixed that for you
Highstreet
QUOTE(maxanne @ Wednesday, 5 December 2007, 2:55 pm) *
fixed that for you



More pettiness and distrust of your fellow Americans. rolleyes.gif

Why do you trust Govt's intentions over the People's?
maxanne
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Wednesday, 5 December 2007, 3:01 pm) *
More pettiness and distrust of your fellow Americans. rolleyes.gif

Why do you trust Govt's intentions over the People's?


Oh, get off your high horse, Highstreet.

Read the story - a bunch of whiny self aggrandizers...."nobody takes us seriously....everybody calls us spammers .....wa wa waaaa - we're going to do something wonderful....look how great we are...aren't we great - WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION - WE ARE WONDERFUL!!! "

As for the rest of your irrelevent commentary - I AM the government. So are you. We the people...remember all that?
sky of mind
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Wednesday, 5 December 2007, 12:01 pm) *
More pettiness and distrust of your fellow Americans. rolleyes.gif

Why do you trust Govt's intentions over the People's?




You're desperately reaching.
Please, exactly who is "the government?"
Boot
There is a reason even Team Bush does PR stuff. The people in this country still have the last word.
Highstreet
QUOTE(maxanne @ Wednesday, 5 December 2007, 3:16 pm) *
Oh, get off your high horse, Highstreet.

Read the story - a bunch of whiny self aggrandizers...."nobody takes us seriously....everybody calls us spammers .....wa wa waaaa - we're going to do something wonderful....look how great we are...aren't we great - WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION - WE ARE WONDERFUL!!! "

As for the rest of your irrelevent commentary - I AM the government. So are you. We the people...remember all that?



I do remember that. That is why I am supporting Paul. This is Democracy in Action.
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