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sky of mind
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Why Are White Supremacists So Attracted to Ron Paul?
Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 12:00 PM on November 12, 2007.



Pam Spaulding: Could it be a political newsletter Rep. Paul put out
in 1992 where he made some comments that are, well, racist?



This can't be a plus for the upstart GOP candidate.



Stormfront.org, a white supremacy web site, as well as others, such as WhiteWorldNews.com, have actively supported Paul's bid for the presidency, including directing donors to his campaign. Stormfront has also endorsed Paul for president.


"Once in a great while a presidential candidate is presented to us. A candidate who not only speaks to us, but for us...I am supporting Ron Paul in his run for the presidency," the Stormfront endorsement says. The endorsement praises Paul's plans to reduce taxes, close the borders and eliminate trade deals, such as NAFTA.


"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you are a white nationalist," the endorsement continues. "Put your differences with one and other aside and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man. Look at the issues. Look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul 2008."


...On the Vanguard News Network , convicted bomber and neo-Nazi Todd Vanbiber posted his support for Paul, saying, "I think I'm going to get in touch with the local Paul people and see if I can help. I am serious about this shit."; Vanbiber was convicted and spent 5 years in a Florida prison for planning to bomb over a dozen Orlando locations.


Ain't that America. Apparently the attraction to Paul of the supremacist set stems from a political newsletter from 1992 where Ron Paul made some comments that are, well, racist. It's after the jump.

I would hope the Paul campaign would explain this:


* "Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."


* "We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."


* "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."


Even more embarrassing, according to Lone Star Times, Paul has the support of David Duke, and Stormfront has a YouTube audio commercial up supporting Paul.

Ed Morrissey at Captain's Quarters actually posted on Paul's writings several months ago -- and there's more.

But, hey, Paul's paranoia isn't limited to African-Americans. He fears the Joooooooos, too:

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.


seuss
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 10:17 pm) *
Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/67651/
Why Are White Supremacists So Attracted to Ron Paul?
Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 12:00 PM on November 12, 2007.

Pam Spaulding: Could it be a political newsletter Rep. Paul put out
in 1992 where he made some comments that are, well, racist?

This can't be a plus for the upstart GOP candidate.



Stormfront.org, a white supremacy web site, as well as others, such as WhiteWorldNews.com, have actively supported Paul's bid for the presidency, including directing donors to his campaign. Stormfront has also endorsed Paul for president.
"Once in a great while a presidential candidate is presented to us. A candidate who not only speaks to us, but for us...I am supporting Ron Paul in his run for the presidency," the Stormfront endorsement says. The endorsement praises Paul's plans to reduce taxes, close the borders and eliminate trade deals, such as NAFTA.
"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you are a white nationalist," the endorsement continues. "Put your differences with one and other aside and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man. Look at the issues. Look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul 2008."
...On the Vanguard News Network , convicted bomber and neo-Nazi Todd Vanbiber posted his support for Paul, saying, "I think I'm going to get in touch with the local Paul people and see if I can help. I am serious about this shit."; Vanbiber was convicted and spent 5 years in a Florida prison for planning to bomb over a dozen Orlando locations.


Ain't that America. Apparently the attraction to Paul of the supremacist set stems from a political newsletter from 1992 where Ron Paul made some comments that are, well, racist. It's after the jump.

I would hope the Paul campaign would explain this:
* "Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
* "We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
* "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."


Even more embarrassing, according to Lone Star Times, Paul has the support of David Duke, and Stormfront has a YouTube audio commercial up supporting Paul.

Ed Morrissey at Captain's Quarters actually posted on Paul's writings several months ago -- and there's more.

But, hey, Paul's paranoia isn't limited to African-Americans. He fears the Joooooooos, too:

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.


dude, you might as well get used to being called a hypocrite.
sky of mind
QUOTE(seuss @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 7:25 pm) *
dude, you might as well get used to being called a hypocrite.



Dude, this is not a pro-Paul rant.
What it is, is an attempt to explain why Paul attracts the white pride crowd.

And if you know it or not, THAT'S actually considered GOOD information!
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 7:41 pm) *
Dude, this is not a pro-Paul rant.
What it is, is an attempt to explain why Paul attracts the white pride crowd.

And if you know it or not, THAT'S actually considered GOOD information!


I think the point was that you had already complained of a surplus of RP threads. Yawn. Well, it's worth pointing out again.
sky of mind
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 8:28 pm) *
I think the point was that you had already complained of a surplus of RP threads. Yawn. Well, it's worth pointing out again.



I realize that, and if there was an error it was in not stating that I thought there were too many pro-Paul threads.
It was as if somebody had an agenda and reason for being on the forum other than general discussion.

As human beings we are prone to assumption, and this time I was guilty.
I assumed people understood that I wasn't against Paul threads as such. It was the excessive amount of pro-Paul threads, or Paul proselytizing. I apologize if there was any confusion.
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 8:55 pm) *
I realize that, and if there was an error it was in not stating that I thought there were too many pro-Paul threads.
It was as if somebody had an agenda and reason for being on the forum other than general discussion.

As human beings we are prone to assumption, and this time I was guilty.
I assumed people understood that I wasn't against Paul threads as such. It was the excessive amount of pro-Paul threads, or Paul proselytizing. I apologize if there was any confusion.


... and maybe threads that go off topic and cover the same stuff over and over again?
Highstreet
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 11:28 pm) *
I think the point was that you had already complained of a surplus of RP threads. Yawn. Well, it's worth pointing out again.


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Highstreet
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 11:55 pm) *
I realize that, and if there was an error it was in not stating that I thought there were too many pro-Paul threads.
It was as if somebody had an agenda and reason for being on the forum other than general discussion.

As human beings we are prone to assumption, and this time I was guilty.
I assumed people understood that I wasn't against Paul threads as such. It was the excessive amount of pro-Paul threads, or Paul proselytizing. I apologize if there was any confusion.


But an excessive number of Anti Paul threads ....is ok?

This one is a great one.

A blog ......linked to someone's blog......linked to someone's blog.....

which makes claims and doesn't give sources. rolleyes.gif

I visit Alternet quite frequently. They are a pretty good site. That is why you won't see this in anything but a Blog, because it can't be sourced, and is slander and conjecture. They would be sued by Paul's campaign and lose if they put this in anything but a blog/opinion section.

It is still sad that they let this crap by published at all.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 8:09 am) *
But an excessive number of Anti Paul threads ....is ok?

Count them, how many are there that have been posted by just one person?

This one is a great one.

A blog ......linked to someone's blog......linked to someone's blog.....

which makes claims and doesn't give sources. rolleyes.gif

I visit Alternet quite frequently. They are a pretty good site. That is why you won't see this in anything but a Blog, because it can't be sourced, and is slander and conjecture. They would be sued by Paul's campaign and lose if they put this in anything but a blog/opinion section.

It is still sad that they let this crap by published at all.

Sad why? because they say the sorts of truths you might prefer to ignore?



Dude, cut to the chase.
You're a shill for Ron Paul.
Highstreet
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 1:06 pm) *
Dude, cut to the chase.
You're a shill for Ron Paul.


I am a supporter of one of the few honest and viable politicians for President I have ever seen.

I am not paid by the campaign.
Boot
QUOTE
I am a supporter of one of the few honest and viable politicians


He's not viable, in any statistically viable poll his numbers aren't even bigger than the margin of error. And look up his voting record and the bills he's introduced (Go to the library of congress website for details) his record is not always as libertarian as he wants people to think.
Highstreet
QUOTE(Boot @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 1:29 pm) *
He's not viable, in any statistically viable poll his numbers aren't even bigger than the margin of error. And look up his voting record and the bills he's introduced (Go to the library of congress website for details) his record is not always as libertarian as he wants people to think.


I have said that in other threads, too.

He has a libertarian philosophy, but has been elected as a Republican 10 times.

I have checked out his record. That is why I support him. He walks the walk, unlike most politicians, especially the Elites in Both parties.
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Boot @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 10:29 am) *
He's not viable, in any statistically viable poll his numbers aren't even bigger than the margin of error. And look up his voting record and the bills he's introduced (Go to the library of congress website for details) his record is not always as libertarian as he wants people to think.


Yeah, I don't see what's so fiscally responsible about massive oil subsides.
Highstreet
QUOTE(happymisanthropy @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 2:18 pm) *
Yeah, I don't see what's so fiscally responsible about massive oil subsides.


Exactly. That's why Paul wants to stop them.

It would have the added benefit, of not only reducing taxes, but making renewable technologies more competitive.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Highstreet @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 10:13 am) *
I am a supporter of one of the few honest and viable politicians for President I have ever seen.

I am not paid by the campaign.



That's your most humble opinion.
There may be those who do not agree with you.



A volunter shill.


edit to add......



Paul is not a mamber of the Democratic party. Wonder why?
Paul is not a liberal. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Paul is a staunch conservative, in some ways from the old guard as well.

Paul is called a Libertarian. Let there be no mistake. Libertarianism is NOT liberalism, and is in fact a more extreme version of conservatism.

High, you have claimed to have liberal views, yet you choose to support a conservative candidate. You can't be both.
And claiming that you affiliate with no party only attempts to dodge the main truth.

Your candidate of choice is a conservative. In many ways an extreme conservative.
Your claiming that he a centrist is either an innocent deception based on delusion, or a lie.
Paul is a conservative politician with MANY years of experience as such. That in of it's self outta have said plenty.

I understand the desperation for immediate solutions.
Ron Paul is not that solution.
Highstreet
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Tuesday, 13 November 2007, 3:34 pm) *
That's your most humble opinion.
There may be those who do not agree with you.

of course, and more power to you.
QUOTE
Paul is not a mamber of the Democratic party. Wonder why?
Paul is not a liberal. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Paul is a staunch conservative, in some ways from the old guard as well.

Paul is called a Libertarian. Let there be no mistake. Libertarianism is NOT liberalism, and is in fact a more extreme version of conservatism.

High, you have claimed to have liberal views, yet you choose to support a conservative candidate. You can't be both.
And claiming that you affiliate with no party only attempts to dodge the main truth.

Your candidate of choice is a conservative. In many ways an extreme conservative.
Your claiming that he a centrist is either an innocent deception based on delusion, or a lie.
Paul is a conservative politician with MANY years of experience as such. That in of it's self outta have said plenty.

I understand the desperation for immediate solutions.
Ron Paul is not that solution.


I don't claim to have liberal or conservative views. I reject those labels when possible. They only help the Elites in both Parties divide and cause infighting among the everyday American who wants good solutions, not false pandering.

If you don't see the Interventionist Foreign policy of Bush and the Elites in Both parties as the wrong direction for our country, then what do you see it as?

He is not a member of the Democratic party because he sees big govt programs causing more problems, and painting with a broad brush that doesn't allow for local solutions to unique situations. And more Govt Spending is not going to get us out of the National Debt hole we are in.

Again, he is a Moderate Conservative when compared to the Elites in both parties who only want to continue the Warfare/ Big Govt Spending that we have seen continue since Reagan was in office. He is also a staunch supporter of protecting ALL our rights which is a common desire from All Americans.

There are no immediate solutions. But we have to move the country in the direction of Less Military Adventurism and More Balanced Budgets.
gkh6
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Monday, 12 November 2007, 9:17 pm) *
Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/67651/
Why Are White Supremacists So Attracted to Ron Paul?
Posted by Pam Spaulding, Pam's House Blend at 12:00 PM on November 12, 2007.

Pam Spaulding: Could it be a political newsletter Rep. Paul put out
in 1992 where he made some comments that are, well, racist?

This can't be a plus for the upstart GOP candidate.



Stormfront.org, a white supremacy web site, as well as others, such as WhiteWorldNews.com, have actively supported Paul's bid for the presidency, including directing donors to his campaign. Stormfront has also endorsed Paul for president.
"Once in a great while a presidential candidate is presented to us. A candidate who not only speaks to us, but for us...I am supporting Ron Paul in his run for the presidency," the Stormfront endorsement says. The endorsement praises Paul's plans to reduce taxes, close the borders and eliminate trade deals, such as NAFTA.
"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you are a white nationalist," the endorsement continues. "Put your differences with one and other aside and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man. Look at the issues. Look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul 2008."
...On the Vanguard News Network , convicted bomber and neo-Nazi Todd Vanbiber posted his support for Paul, saying, "I think I'm going to get in touch with the local Paul people and see if I can help. I am serious about this shit."; Vanbiber was convicted and spent 5 years in a Florida prison for planning to bomb over a dozen Orlando locations.


Ain't that America. Apparently the attraction to Paul of the supremacist set stems from a political newsletter from 1992 where Ron Paul made some comments that are, well, racist. It's after the jump.

I would hope the Paul campaign would explain this:
* "Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
* "We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
* "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."


Even more embarrassing, according to Lone Star Times, Paul has the support of David Duke, and Stormfront has a YouTube audio commercial up supporting Paul.

Ed Morrissey at Captain's Quarters actually posted on Paul's writings several months ago -- and there's more.

But, hey, Paul's paranoia isn't limited to African-Americans. He fears the Joooooooos, too:

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.


What a pathetic attempt at smearing RP. Take some uncorroborated statements that RP did not make and make it look like he is a racist. Is that the best you can do? What are you? A Kucinich shill?
seuss
QUOTE(gkh6 @ Wednesday, 14 November 2007, 7:34 pm) *
What a pathetic attempt at smearing RP. Take some uncorroborated statements that RP did not make and make it look like he is a racist. Is that the best you can do? What are you? A Kucinich shill?

do you see what you started now, sky?
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