karen
Thursday, 4 October 2007, 3:37 pm
QUOTE(Boot @ Thursday, 4 October 2007, 12:36 pm)

Did you know?
Halloween is technically a Catholic holiday to honor the saints, but all the ghosts and goblins are from old Celtic new years celebrations.
Jack-o-lanterns are supposed to light the way for the ghost of Jack, an Irishman (I think it was Irish, someone can check, I'm just going off the top of my head here), the story goes that Jack was a terrible drunk and one night when he was staggering home he ran into the devil, but Jack was a clever drunkard and tricked the devil to climb up a tree, he then quickly carved a cross into the tree, trapping the prince of darkness. Before he let the devil go he made him swear never to tempt Jack again.
Unfortunately for Jack, when he died, he had been to much of a sinner to get into heaven, and the devil still had a grudge so his spirit is stuck on earth, all Jack had was a single ember he held in an old turnip, villagers in Ireland kept the tradition of lighting the way for jack with carved out turnips (the reason it's for Halloween is that Celtic new year was when the spirits freely wandered the earth).
When Irish immigrants came to America they started using the more plentiful pumpkin.
Cool story. Specially the bit about the turnips! Reminded me of when i was a kid, we used to use turnips to make our lanterns. We also did bob-apple and duck-apple (probably pagan too, but I don't know the story behind them).
Bob-apple involved a row of apples tied with string and suspended from the ceiling. Us kids would have our hands tied behind our backs and we'd have to try'n take a bite out of an apple. Try it sometime - Not easy!
Duck-apple was similar but this time the apples were floating in a bowl of water. Much easier, cos we could use the sides and the bottom of the bowl for purchase.
No Pumpkins, no trick-or-treat, just some turnips, some apples and some kids. Great fun!!!
Thanks for the memories Boot.
QUOTE(Jubal @ Thursday, 4 October 2007, 12:58 pm)

And of course the Catholics appropriated the Samhain festival and made it All Saints Eve. Most of Christianity's holidays were swiped from other religions. Halloween - Samhain. Christmas - Yule. Easter - Beltaine.
And did you know that the decorating of trees is also a pagan tradition. - Who else but the pagans would adorn a tree with garlands?
The early Christians used the tradition, I believe, to make Christianity a bit more acceptable to the Celts.
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Thursday, 4 October 2007, 1:42 pm)

Boot,
You can explain the Pagan aspects of Christmas, when it's time.
Generally your fundi types don't much care for such conversation.
Sorry Sky, Sorry fundie's: Got carried away!