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Abell9
This article was sent to me by a friend who is with Blackwater and was in New Orleans with them. He found the article compelling. I did as well.


Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:

What would you do?

What would you do if you were black?

Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.

To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.

For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the second question. If you’re black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, you’ll probably wait for the government to save you.

This was not always the case. Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been inconceivable. The first response would have come from black men. They would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help the rest of the community. Then local government would come in.

No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.

Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Jackson and Farrakhan laid blame on "racist” President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion. Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars. I wonder where that money will end up.

Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform legally and practically fell first on the mayor of New Orleans. We are now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin the black who likes to yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job. The facts, unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing. As the Washington Times puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."

One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?

Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center. We know how that plan turned out.

About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.

President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks. Had New Orleans black community taken action, most would have been out of harm's way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.

All Americans must tell blacks this truth. It was blacks' moral poverty not their material poverty that cost them dearly in New Orleans. Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated for they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and applauding moral corruption. New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."
Buck Laser
I'm sorry to say that I don't find the article compelling. I find it repellent. I really know nothing about the author, except that the title of his book pretty well evidences his racist agenda, be he black or pink.

The most odious part of his screed is the way he seeks to lay blame on the N.O. political establishment, and on the state. They certainly may be culpable--God knows there's blame enough to go around. But to give Bush and his incompetent booboisie a pass in order to blame local blacks is just unconscionable.

The writer reminds me very much of Alan Keyes, who's one of the most reprehensible creatures ever to walk the face of the earth. Keyes blew it totally with me when he disowned his lesbian daughter. My God, even Cheney didn't do that.

But wait! This whole thing is a joke isn't it? Isn't it?
sky of mind
I left this alone and made no comment, waiting for someone else to comment first.
I wanted to make sure of what I thought I saw, and according to Buck, yep, that's what I saw.



Which leads me to the question,

Mr. Abell. Why Thee fuck did you post this story?
(And why did you put it under "plugs"?)
Max-1
QUOTE(Abell9 @ Wednesday, 8 August 2007, 4:37 pm) *
This article was sent to me by a friend who is with Blackwater and was in New Orleans with them. He found the article compelling. I did as well.


Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:

What would you do?

What would you do if you were black?


The answer to the first question is get out if I could. If I couldn't, then I would seek appropriate shelter.

The second question is what compels me and that is to ask about the significance of being black, in America. Why does race matter in America? Why should it matter if I am black or not? Why is it always the black, the colored, the darker skinned, in America? Not to suggest that other fairer skinned people haven't had their racial and religious scrapes in and with Anglo-America. But it always comes back to the people of color. WHY?

And then I read on and whoa! This passes for racist literature, BTW. You may want to tell your friend that it panders to a racist/bigoted slant/bias.

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson may be a black man, but for ANY person to attempt to lay blame on a section of society because of their race, IS a form of racism. He argues like it was ONLY black people that suffered in N.O. That died in N.O. Disproportionately so, the black people of that city suffered just not because of them being born black. But because America still treats people of color with a different set of rules, that's all.

And racism cloaked in religiosity as practiced by a black man against black people is still racism and does not excuse the message nor the messenger. I've got one of them here in Seattle too. What ends up happening is enticing people of color to gather against the oppression they experience in exchange for blaming "other" people of other colors and in turn assisting in the perpetuation of a constant disparaging racial bias. "It happened to me because I'm black," becomes the over arching meme of an excuse thus creating a perpetual cycle that feeds on itself.

America needs to get past race. PERIOD.

In what way did you find it compelling Abell?
Abell9
SKY wrote:
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Mr. Abell. Why Thee fuck did you post this story?
(And why did you put it under "plugs"?)


Plugs? Didnt see anywhere else it should or could go. Move it if wrong.
WHY? Simple. It is a different slant on that issue. A different angle. A very honest one if you ask me. This man said things that nobody would because it fell under "untouchable". I thought it bold coming from a black man. Everything else I have seen has pandered to a cause or political stage. Blame Bush, blame white men, blame anyone and everyone but lets not hold anyone in New Orleans responsible. Nagin....blameless. Blanco...blameless. While you may not LIKE what he wrote, it is refreshing to see a person be bold enough to swim up stream.

Max-1 wrote:
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You may want to tell your friend that it panders to a racist/bigoted slant/bias.

OK, Ill tell him (he is black by the way) that Max says so.



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In what way did you find it compelling Abell?

Because there is some very fundamental truth in what he says. Now, had it been yet another leader in the black commuinity blaming Bush or slamming FEMA it would have been one of a thousands. And...you would have nodded your head and agreed. However, he is holding people like Jesse Jackson, Nagin, Sharpton, Blanco responsible as well. Maybe I am wrong but I just did not see much of that.

Bucklaser said:
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But wait! This whole thing is a joke isn't it? Isn't it?


No, actually I didnt find any humor in it at all. As said above, I find anyone who doesnt take the path of general political correctness worth, at the very least, consideration. Given the fact that he saw things wrong with some of the leaders in the black community and called it.... is bold. As you said, there was blame enough to go around but at the very base of blame....New Orleans.
I dont see it as racist but maybe Im wrong. It is easy to say something is racist when it is a harsh truth. Thats the easy path. But to realize that many of those pointing the accusing finger in self righteous indignation at Bush, at FEMA, at the white establishment were themselves in the wrong is in my view, bold, honest, and gets to the core of truth. Indeed, Bush was NOT blameless. It did not say he was. It merely stated that ALL blame was not his, that it started in New Orleans.

Its really easy to look at this and get indignant. Had this pandered to the "I hate Bush crowd"...it would have been OK in this forum. It is a different position that I find compelling BECAUSE it offers another perspective. One that does have very real elements of truth.

Jubal
QUOTE(Abell9 @ Wednesday, 8 August 2007, 5:37 pm) *
This article was sent to me by a friend who is with Blackwater and was in New Orleans with them. He found the article compelling. I did as well.
Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two questions:

What would you do?

What would you do if you were black?

Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.

To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.
Can the girls return to help others in need, too? Please? Your Norman Rockwell view of strong, stalwart men and loving, compassionate women is pretty funny. Chicks, what good are they?

For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the second question. If you’re black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, you’ll probably wait for the government to save you.

This was not always the case. Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been inconceivable. The first response would have come from black men. They would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help the rest of the community. Then local government would come in.
Or maybe not. Prior to 40 years ago, the local government probably wouldn't bother with the black part of town at all.

No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.
Correct. Those unable to leave didn't leave. Big surprise that the poorest part of the N.O. population is black.

Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Jackson and Farrakhan laid blame on "racist” President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion. Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars. I wonder where that money will end up.
Halliburton, Bechtel, Bendix, and Shaw Pittman, mostly. Not exactly black-owned businesses. I would be interested to see where Jesse Jackson called Bush a racist. Can you back up your claim?

Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform legally and practically fell first on the mayor of New Orleans. We are now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin the black who likes to yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job. The facts, unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing. As the Washington Times puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."
Absolutely. Building and maintaining levees is the responsiblity of the city government. Everybody knows that.

One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?
A couple of paragraphs back, you were blaming poor black people for not leaving the city. Now you're saying they couldn't leave the city because the buses weren't available. You're biting your own tail just to get at every Democrat in sight.

Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center. We know how that plan turned out.
OK. Last paragraph you were blaming Mayor Nagin for not taking action. Now you're blaming him for taking action, and blaming Gov. Blanco for not taking action. No logic necessary when you're attacking Democrats, especially when you're a black Republican.

About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the United States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and murder.
But you're not a racist. And you also forgot to read the talking points. The Republicans made a big deal of hoo-hahing about how exaggerated the reports of lawlessness in the Superdome were. Try to stay on script.

President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks. Had New Orleans black community taken action, most would have been out of harm's way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do anything productive for themselves.
I see. It's the responsibility of "the black community" to take care of blacks. Why should blacks pay taxes if the government isn't responsible to help them in disaster situations?

All Americans must tell blacks this truth. It was blacks' moral poverty not their material poverty that cost them dearly in New Orleans. Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated for they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and applauding moral corruption. New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.
But it's OK if the government helps out when the (predominantly white) Midwest is flooded or the forests in the (predominantly white) Southwest are burning.

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."
sky of mind
If the article were edited and about 3/4 of it removed or reworded, it might be a worthwhile read. (emphasis on might)

Example.....


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No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.


Who decided these blacks were immoral? Welfare pampered? Some might well abuse the system, but pampered as an expression here is purely inflammatory and leading. Stayed behind? Could it be that they 1] had no transportation, and 2] isn't it normal that many people, including whites, choose to "ride it out" making "hurricane party's" rather a well known reality on the south coast?


The article may have had good intentions, even though I couldn't find it anywhere in there. and if it is in there, it got totally lost in the half truths and blind accusations.

BTW. Just because a person discussing a black issue is black, don't mean he's correct, morally or otherwise.

Also, if a white person had written this article, they would most certainly be labeled Racist. But since a black person wrote it about black people, that option is no longer viable?
happymisanthropy
QUOTE(Abell9 @ Wednesday, 8 August 2007, 4:37 pm) *
What would you do?

What would you do if you were black?


What would you do if white people with guns were guarding the bridge and wouldn't let you leave?

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No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not turn out good results.


And god smote them for their sins, Amen.

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The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60 billion. Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars. I wonder where that money will end up.


What, stealing billions of dollars is OK as long as no black people get any???

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One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?


Ok, this has been debunked so many times it's not even funny.

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Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive contribution from Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested with responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center. We know how that plan turned out.


Ray Nagin handled Katrina a lot better than Giuliani handled 9/11. But he's black, so instead of making a phony hero out of him, we blame the whole mess on his "mistakes". If New York had had a black mayor... well, you know what would happen.

Since there has never been an evacuation of a major city comparable to Katrina, it's impossible to compare... but I have a hard time imagining that anybody else would achieve significantly better results. How many people would wait until the last minute? How many people would refuse entirely?

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New Orleans, to the extent it is to be rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.


Yeah, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

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The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."


So THAT's where the faith-based initiative money went.
sky of mind
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One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?


Ok, this has been debunked so many times it's not even funny.





I seem to recall reading about some black kid who took one of those unused buses to evacuate with, and got arrested.
Max-1
QUOTE(sky of mind @ Saturday, 11 August 2007, 9:35 pm) *
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One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?

Ok, this has been debunked so many times it's not even funny.

I seem to recall reading about some black kid who took one of those unused buses to evacuate with, and got arrested.


LOL

Good call Sky.
Did the city not have the right authorized drivers?
Hell, that kid hotwired the damn bus to make his escape.
sky of mind
QUOTE(Max-1 @ Sunday, 12 August 2007, 5:53 pm) *
LOL

Good call Sky.
Did the city not have the right authorized drivers?
Hell, that kid hotwired the damn bus to make his escape.



He wasn't gonna use it just for himself. He intended to fill it up with people that were otherwise welfare pampered black people that are stupipd and refused to leave because they were all kinda looking forward to looting the Wal-mart store with the Police Department.
Abell9
That meat sill have taste? tongue.gif
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