And as usual, im getting pissed off, but not at the republicans, but Randi.

Heres why....

Randi rants and raves about being a progressive and how many in the democratic party are controlled by special/corporate intrests, yet she always supports those very same candidates, and in fact CRITICIZES the true progressives just because they are NOT democrats.

Shes bragging about Dick Durbins federally funded elections idea, HELLO! Have you been ignoring the green party for the last 2 DECADES Randi? Its been on our platform since the beginning!

She was bragging about the courage of "independants" such as the labor movement/party and womens movement/party and STILL criticizes the Green party.

As much as I like whats on her show MOST of the time, Randi needs to wake up and start looking in the mirror.

The green party exists soley to elect Republicans. That's why the republicans provide them with 100% of their funding. I think we've discussed this before.

yup.

Randi's on vacation, Stacy Taylor is subbing.
She'll be back on July 9th.

What were you listening to...an archived show?

You said:


As much as I like what Greens say MOST of the time, they need to wake up and start looking in the mirror. Greens take money from Republicans and take votes from Democrats.

zacly

That's called hedging your bet. In absence of other options, make an ally into an enemy.

Wouldn't it just make you laugh your ass off if the Greens pulled off even a local election and had the Republicans to thank for the funding? Might make them think twice.


So far the Democrats have helped give us an aggressive war, anti-labor trade bills, and submission to the most imperial President of all time at every turn. Maybe the Democrats don't deserve votes. At the very least, they need a very thorough house cleaning.

Maybe if they lost votes to Greens, SOME Democrats would wake up and realize that their party has lost its way. Maybe if the country had to endure a few more years of bad leadership, they would realize what's really at stake and oust their politicians.

Someone said 100% of there funding, I persnally guarantee thats NOT true, because I give them money. I guarantee not even 1/2 comes from republicans. I would dare someone to prove otherwise.

And your democrats take money from large corporations and other special intrests! How dare you criticize the greens for taking money from people. (Unless im wrong, republicans are people as well) So that pretty much makes THAT point moot. At least the greens take only from individual donors.

As for electing republicans, you all act that thats so much worse that electing a democrat. What have the democrats exactally done recently that has really helped this country? When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you dont get someone good, you just get someone not as bad. At least im proud of the candidates I vote in.

Let us all not forget according to exit polls, 25% of naders votes in 2000 came from reguistered republican, 45% democrat and the rest were those who were not planning on voting at all.

You all can keep electing the same, and getting the same. as for myself, im going to vote for someone who would actually make that change. And if you didnt let your bed-wetting scare tactics stop you from doing the same, shit might actually get done in this country.

And max, I like your quote about what bush said. "either with or, or your with the terrorists". Its kind of funny how alleged "progressives" here use the same tactic. Either you vote democrat, or your republican. Im sitting in a kettle full of finger pointing pots.

Yep

Dems take money from corporations and special intrest groups, and last I checked, my voted must be earned. No one "owns" my vote to give it the ability to be taken away. Thats the problem. The dems are playing you all like puppets assuming you will always vote for them no matter how corrupt they get. and you all just keep FALLING FOR IT!

The problem isn't solved by voting for a republican stooge. The answer is publicly financed campaigns. That's my opinion.

I posted a link once before to a story about a Green candidate whose contributors were all identified, and they had ALL made significant contributions to Republicans. This may not be true for the entire Green party.



All candidates launder their corporate money through individual donors, including Greens. It all technically comes from individuals.



Ha! Funny.



Because Democrats are all the same...



That's great, but you may as well be voting for a fictional character because it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, at least until the Greens decide to start trying to WIN elections rather than just get attention.



Is that directed at me? What scare tactics did I use? And I don't think the possibility of more Scalias, Thomases, Robertses, or Bork-itos is a scare tactic, it's practically guaranteed.

I would dare you to prove this because the green party is the only partys platfors which states it will not accept such funds.


the ones who get elected sure are.
Sure, they may not win nationally, but they hold hundreds of local seats. And the problem lies with WHY cant they win. When you look at that you can see the deep flaws in our election system. Either way, the things all us progressives brag about came from the brains and hard work of third parties. It about giving people a choice to vote for who they truly want, not because they are scared to elect "the other guy"
Well, only if you follow the "lesser of two evils" idea. Ok, and with a "liberal dem" we get the DOMA , tellecommunications act, etc....

I gave money to John Kerry right before the 2004 election, specifically because I wanted his campaign to have funds available to pay for recount efforts.

Considering who actually did pay for the Ohio recount, I should have given to Nader instead. Not that it would have made a difference (we recently found out that the recount was rigged).

Well, I gave money to kerry as well. Guess im also a traitor of sorts!