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karen
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/23/f...adership-story/
Former NYC Emergency Coordinator Contradicts Giuliani’s 9/11 “Leadership” Story
By: SilentPatriot on Wednesday, May 23rd, 2007

Rudy Giuliani's most appealing quality with the right-wingers is the so-called "strong on terror" image that sprouted up out of his "leadership" on 9/11. So when Jerome Hauer, Rudy's former emergency management director, speaks out and demolishes that myth, we should all take note.

New York Times
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As Rudolph W. Giuliani runs for president, his image as a chief executive who steered New York through the disaster of Sept. 11 has become a pillar of his campaign. But one former member of his inner circle keeps surfacing to revisit that history in ways that are unflattering to Mr. Giuliani: Jerome M. Hauer, New York City’s first emergency management director.

In recent days, Mr. Hauer has challenged Mr. Giuliani’s recollection that he had little role as mayor in placing the city’s emergency command center at the ill-fated World Trade Center.

Mr. Hauer has also disputed the claim by the Giuliani campaign that the mayor’s wife, Judith Giuliani, had coordinated a help center for families after the attack.

And he has contradicted Mr. Giuliani’s assertions that the city’s emergency response was well coordinated that day, a point he made most notably to the authors of “Grand Illusion,” a book that depicts Mr. Giuliani’s antiterrorism efforts as deeply flawed.


Hauer is not the only one to take a sledgehammer to Rudy's bogus 9/11 mystique. In March, the President of the International Fireighters Association blasted Rudy for his "egregious acts" against the FDNY in the months after the attacks. What else would it take for people to understand that his record of "leadership" on terrorism is dismal? He doesn't seem to have a good grasp of the underlying causes of Islamic terrorism, either.
seuss
Thanks for the post kazz, I'm still working (slowly but surely) on the article that will show the world why this guy's such a waste of flesh. With all the dirt I'm comming up with, it might end up being a book!
karen
QUOTE(seuss @ Saturday, 26 May 2007, 12:14 pm) [snapback]94323[/snapback]
Thanks for the post kazz, I'm still working (slowly but surely) on the article that will show the world why this guy's such a waste of flesh. With all the dirt I'm comming up with, it might end up being a book!

Oooo, careful! Lets not waste any good trees on the slime-ball. Remember, trees are people too!
seuss
QUOTE(karen @ Saturday, 26 May 2007, 2:42 pm) [snapback]94349[/snapback]
Oooo, careful! Lets not waste any good trees on the slime-ball. Remember, trees are people too!

Books aren't worth the paper they're printed on? I love trees, don't get me wrong, I plant at least one a month. I think there's a better solution to deforestation than keeping people from writing books. We (at least here in the US) throw away three times as many forest products per year than all the logging that year will provide. Maybe we should enact a mandatory fast food chain recycling program, maybe mandatory big business forest product recycling, maybe the same for general building contractors. I don't think banning the writing of books is the way to go. Hopefully, the books will last as long, or longer than the trees they're printed on. Who knows, maybe a book on Guiliani would get in excerpt in a textbook on an ethics in politics and teach future generations what NOT to do. I think the world should know who this guy is before the vote, but I'll make sure the publisher I select prints on recycled paper (100% post cosumer). If Guiliani is elected, I'd bet he'd remove any blocks in place on timber harvesting anyway, so think of the few and the proud trees that fell in the line of duty to protect this country and the world from the likes of this slime as saintly martyrs.
sky of mind
Virtual books use no trees.
seuss
yeah, but then what good are librarians? they've been the most unanimously vocal adversaries of the patriot act! They've actually been arrested on federal charges for not disclosing their records, and have (almost) unanimously began to shred the records of their patrons once books are returned.

Plus, it goes back to informing the poor and elderly. They've got access to libraries, but not necessarily access to the internet, or a home computer.
karen
QUOTE(seuss @ Saturday, 26 May 2007, 4:25 pm) [snapback]94360[/snapback]
Books aren't worth the paper they're printed on?

I didn't even come close to saying that! I made a tongue in cheek comment about Guiliani not being worth the paper it would take to publish a book about him.
Good God man! I read books! I Love books! I have shelves full of books! I have them piled at the side of the shelves because I have more books than shelf space! My life wouldn't be half as rich without them! I want more books, not less!
Feel like I've just been accused of burning them, and that's heresy in my book! And I'm not even religious! wall.gif

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I love trees, don't get me wrong, I plant at least one a month. I think there's a better solution to deforestation than keeping people from writing books. We (at least here in the US) throw away three times as many forest products per year than all the logging that year will provide. Maybe we should enact a mandatory fast food chain recycling program, maybe mandatory big business forest product recycling, maybe the same for general building contractors. I don't think banning the writing of books is the way to go.

Stop that now!!! I did not say or imply that books should be banned!!!!!

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Hopefully, the books will last as long, or longer than the trees they're printed on. Who knows, maybe a book on Guiliani would get in excerpt in a textbook on an ethics in politics and teach future generations what NOT to do. I think the world should know who this guy is before the vote, but I'll make sure the publisher I select prints on recycled paper (100% post cosumer).

Good!
I've just had to get a few thousand fliers printed and I had to supply the paper myself because the printer had no recycled paper - didn't even have a supplier! (I'm shopping around for a better printer, but time was of the essence last week)

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If Guiliani is elected, I'd bet he'd remove any blocks in place on timber harvesting anyway, so think of the few and the proud trees that fell in the line of duty to protect this country and the world from the likes of this slime as saintly martyrs.

Yes, but I didn't say a single word about banning books!!!!!!!!!! eek.gif

Oh, yes, just so you know, I think libraries a good too... and people who don't have access to the internet should still have access to uncesored information and BOOKS.

Need a lie down now! blink.gif
seuss
I was surprised by this:
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"Lets not waste any good trees on the slime-ball. Remember, trees are people too!"


because you seem like the type that would enjoy a book on the subject.
Part of the length of my response came from other threads, and other people. I've just been getting kind of defensive about alternative modes of self education. It seems like some would rather sit in front of their computer screen all day, every day, than to pick up a book or go out and talk to someone with a face, rather than an avatar and screen name.
I also enjoyed the opportunity to bring up my ideas for solving the paper waste issue.
I wasn't accusing you of burning them.

edit to add:
Maybe someone should come up with a toungue in cheek emoticon, seems like we could use it on this forum.
trinharder
QUOTE(karen @ Saturday, 26 May 2007, 2:42 pm) [snapback]94349[/snapback]
Oooo, careful! Lets not waste any good trees on the slime-ball. Remember, trees are people too!


My 1st choice is always to see if the library has the book. If it's new enough, I just keep checking back. 2nd step is to see if I can get it on an interlibrary loan. 3rd step is to buy used from Amazon or Powells. 4th step, read something else instead. A lot of the old classics, fiction and nonfiction are available online for free too.
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/
http://classicreader.com/
http://www.literature.org/authors/
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/
karen
QUOTE(seuss @ Sunday, 27 May 2007, 8:10 am) [snapback]94408[/snapback]
I was surprised by this:
because you seem like the type that would enjoy a book on the subject.
Yeah, you're probably right. I like to keep my brain active, even if it isn't very effective! smile.gif (Kidding! I have a brain the size of a small planet! laugh.gif )
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I've just been getting kind of defensive about alternative modes of self education. It seems like some would rather sit in front of their computer screen all day, every day, than to pick up a book or go out and talk to someone with a face, rather than an avatar and screen name.

Have to admit, I spend far too much time in front of the computer and not nearly enough reading actual books. I do talk to real live people though so I'm not all bad. tongue.gif
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I also enjoyed the opportunity to bring up my ideas for solving the paper waste issue.
I wasn't accusing you of burning them.

I got that... some good ideas, which would also work here. Manditory recycling would force many big business (and small, come to that) to cut down on unnecessary consumption also!

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edit to add:
Maybe someone should come up with a toungue in cheek emoticon, seems like we could use it on this forum.

Yes! And a rightious indignation' emoticon too. In fact two! One for real indigantion, and one for pretend/tongue in cheek indignation. wink.gif

Sorry, Seuss, you got the brunt of my silly mood today! What I said/typed, while I meant every word, was said/typed laughingly. Colouring it all in red was an added touch! biggrin.gif
You know, one of these days I'm going to get into serious trouble ranting at someone just for fun! laugh.gif
karen
QUOTE(trinharder @ Sunday, 27 May 2007, 8:19 am) [snapback]94409[/snapback]
My 1st choice is always to see if the library has the book. If it's new enough, I just keep checking back. 2nd step is to see if I can get it on an interlibrary loan. 3rd step is to buy used from Amazon or Powells. 4th step, read something else instead. A lot of the old classics, fiction and nonfiction are available online for free too.
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/
http://classicreader.com/
http://www.literature.org/authors/
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/


Great links Trin! Thanks!
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