There will be a hell of a lot more before Bush's second term is up. Are you happy you voted for him?

MAYBE and You are presumptive aren't you?

Count on it. By supporting Bush, you contribute to their needless deaths in wars that don't have to happen. First Iraq. Later Iran.

I appreciate your perspective, but, like I say there is your Truth, my truth and the truth and reality often lies in between them all.

As a combat Veteran, I appreciate any life lost for any reason, as it is the most tragic and final of all human events. But, your reality and mine may diverse widely based on your implied comments if I understodd correctly.

In 1997 there were 18,210 murders, or 6.8 for every 100,000 people, the lowest since 6.2 per 100,000 in 1967. The rate was down from highs of 10.2 per 100,000 in 1980 and 9.8 in 1991. In 1950 the rate was 4.6 per 100,000.

U.S. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter

1992 23,760
1993 24,530
1994 23,330
1995 21,610
1996 19,650
1997 18,210
1998 16,974
1999 15,522
2000 15,586
2001 15,980
2002 16,204

In 2002 in California and New York alone there were 3,304 homicides.

In Chicago in 2003 there were 599 homicides, In New York, the murder tally of 596 compared with 584 in 2002, the District of Columbia showed the homicide rate of 237 down from 262 in 2002. Detroit, was 365 in 2003, the FBI said, The newly-released data shows 16,503 murders occurred in the U.S. last year in 2003.

The 16,503 MURDERS took ONE year in the US and it would take an additional 10.76 years to equal that many in Iraq at the tragic rate, so far, our brave troops have sacrificed for their country.

These US MURDERS commited in just ONE year, were as equally NEEDLESS and maybe more NEEDLESS, as they were not, soldiers in combat situation doing their jobs, no matter ones opinion about that job they are doing.

You should feel as passionate about these poor MURDERED souls equally as to the soldiers as well.

That is all!

As a combat Veteran, I appreciate any life lost for any reason, as it is the most tragic and final of all human events. But, your reality and mine may diverse widely based on your implied comments if I understodd correctly.

Would you indulge me with a hypothetical situation?

Suppose I am injured and lose a lot of blood. A soldier comes along and volunteers to donate blood for a transfusion.

No one will deny that the offer is generous and honorable. But if such a transfusion is performed with the wrong type blood, it will kill me.

These US MURDERS commited in just ONE year, were as equally NEEDLESS and maybe more NEEDLESS, as they were not, soldiers in combat situation doing their jobs, no matter ones opinion about that job they are doing.

I agree that murder is, by definition, needless. However, turning combat deaths into numbers does not, in my opinion, properly respect the deceased.

I would like to believe that the sacrifices of our troops are creating a truly democratic Iraq and encouraging peace throughout the middle east. But wishing doesn't make it so. I don't believe that either US troops or profiteering companies will leave Iraq until the oil runs dry, or until the Iraqis throw them out.

You should feel as passionate about these poor MURDERED souls equally as to the soldiers as well.

Are you as compassionate for a 19-year-old drug dealer killed in a turf war, as you are for a 19-year-old marine killed in Iraq? Mother Theresa might be, but let's face it -- you and I are not.

That is all!

I wish it were.

You misrepresented yourself.
You used a graphic from this site:

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Your misleading graphic. as it was MEANT to be perceived....a waste of lives.


Dead because of a lie. Dead because selfish people in government wanted a war and lied to get one, aided by selfish people in the media WHO TOOK MONEY FROM GEORGE BUSH TO LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
The government and the media traded the blood of these young Americans for their personal gain.
Look at their faces. How can you not be angry?



You lied.
You shouldn't last too long around here.
Why waste any more of your time. Or ours.

I mean no disrespect, BUT come on this is YADA! YADA! A party that would have the intellect to transfuse would know to do it or not to do it correctly.. Another point might get what ever you meant to point out, this one did not.

We can agree, numbers are most obtuse when it come to human life.

But our world of Left agenda like Micheal Moore & Movingon.org like extremes c ome to mind as well the right extremes not to mention the media entertainment NEWS which HARMMERS THESE NUMBER'S HANVIL like there was no tomorrow, as did the poster’s implication about NEEDLESS DEATHS.

It seems important to them to prove their agenda doesn’t it?

I just gave perspective to the whole reality of being an American. Let’s not even talk about the numbers of poor people dying on our roads. On in SUDAN, RWANDA and in AFRICA and ASIA with AIDS.

The second part 1st, talk to me when you and everyone you know or have known or will ever know does not use oil to make goods, harvest foods, drive cars, brings goods to you, burn furnaces to generate your electricity.

OIL is the life blood of DEMOCRACY, THE WEST, your freedom.

IT'S YOUR TRANSFUSION WHICH IS TRUELY THE ONLY THING THAT DIFFERENTIATES YOU AS A DEVELOPED COUNTRY from those like in Indonesia or in Africa.

YOU nor I, nor those like us, won’t give it up not for a second.

Iraq is neting 1.65 million barrels of exports a day thru 2004, the US got ONLY 450,000. That leave over 1.15 million barrels left for exported, to where pray tell?

Your statement about the troops, well there has been no peace in the Middle east for 60 years. IT IS THE MOST VILOENT PRONE REGION IN THE WORLD. It's violence has spread to US for what ever reason yo want to believe IT CAME TO US.

You want to look at the cup half empty go ahead. Not I it an't over till it's over.

I suggest you speak for yourself, as that was exactly my point, balanced compassion! For our troops and that drug dealer murdered and even his murderer should be possible. But life is a balance of the Ying and Yang when one dominates to much it rights itself as is the way of the universe.

That is all!

Who put the corn cob up your butt !





YOUR TRUTH, MY TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH!

THE GRAPHICS REPRESENT ALL SO CRAWL BACK INTO YOU HOLE LITTLE PERSON! YOUR DIAPERS ARE ALL WET!

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I'll say what I want within the rules!!


That is all!

And add more than 13K fallen Iraqi civilians, then add the insurgents.

That's a widely spread cliche you just used, btw.

Oh, and Panda is an admin over here, FYI.

On other boards, do you start each post with "Ahoy" and call yourself Battleship Sailor?

This is called a bait and switch, a way of changing the subject, which is a horrible flaw in logic.
The writer hopes you will class domestic murder between individuals as more severe than the crimes the government is committing overseas with no check on its power.
Of course, I hope you don't.
It's just like with the abortion. I joined a group of pacifists on the net a little while ago. The person who was questioning their views on the war immediately brought up abortion. Again, using the bait and switch.
It's manipulation period.