Posted by rinoflow on 27/March/2005 at 10:14:

Are our leaders insane???


Fluoride Stupidity And Population Control

Preferred Network | March 24 2005

Controversial fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).

Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It's historically been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup, injecting it into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it.

Yes, a 20,000% markup: Fluoride-- intended only for human consumption by people under 14 years of age--is injected into our drinking water supply at approx. 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink 1/2 of one percent of the total water supply, the rest literally goes down the drain as a free hazardous-waste disposal for the chemical industry, where we PAY them so that we can flush their expensive hazardous waste down our toilets. How many salesmen dream of such a deal? (Follow the money.)

Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride's strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.

Scientists who have attempted to blow the whistle on this mega-bucks PR ploy have consistently been given a very unscientific Black-PR treatment, and thus their valid points disputing the current vested interests never arrive in the press.

Follow the money to find the control.

In 1952 the slick PR campaign which ram-rodded the concept of fluoridation through via our Public Health departments and various dental organizations was likened to a highly-emotional "beer-salesman's convention" instead of the objective scientific experiment which it should properly have been. It's continued in that vein right up to present time.

To illustrate the emotional vs. the scientific nature of this issue, just look at the response given by people (perhaps yourself included?) when the subject of fluoridation comes up. Ask yourself, "Is this response EMOTIONAL BLUSTER, or is it UNBIASED AND OPENLY- INTERESTED OBJECTIVITY?"

There is a tremendous amount of emotional, highly unscientific know-it-all attached to fluoridation. Many truly independent (unattached to any vested-interest) scientists who've spent a large portion of their lives studying and working with this subject have been subjected to a surprising amount of uncalled-for and unfair character assassination from strong vested-interest groups who profit from the public's ignorance as well as from their illnesses. (Follow the money.)

Do you have diabetes or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. Since many diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million Americans probably shouldn't drink fluoridated water, because in doing so, they'll receive an excessive dose of fluoride.

Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which is your main route of fluoride elimination. --So those people with kidney disease also shouldn't drink fluoridated water. Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where kidney patients on dialysis machines died, due to a fluoride overdose in the city water supply.

Let's begin at the beginning: The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist: "I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930's, Hitler and the German Nazi's envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place. ...

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.” [A convenient light lobotomy]

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. ...

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years' research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine--any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." - CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

Quoting Einstein's nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952. Excerpts follow: "It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the 'next' on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless 'intellectual' parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic--from within if they can, according to their plan--for their own possession.
"The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. ...

"As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don't do it.

"Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God's great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it.

"Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting 'dental health,' fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What's behind it?

"That any so-called "doctors" would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity.
"No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin's Last Will and Hitler's Mein Kampf: "America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within." ...

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats. ...

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity--treason!" Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles. ----------------------------------

Earliest available Russian fluoride evidence: "I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939.

"While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin ... and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government. "... We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism.

We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water.

No, no! It's not the fluoride, it's the hydrogen!

The evidence speaks for itself: The Toxic Effects of Fluoride
The devastating, toxic effects of fluoride are well documented by mainstream organizations. The Journal of the American Medical Association (1990-1992) has reported a greater incidence of hip fractures in fluoridated areas in the U.S. and Britain. TheNew England Journal of Medicine (1990) reported that fluoride treatment of osteoporosis patients resulted in higher hip fracture rates. The governmental National Institute of Environmental and Health Sciences (1990) has shown that fluoride causes cancer. Former promoters of fluoridation have since found that fluoridation does not reduce tooth decay (1987-1988). Scientist at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1989-1993) have come out against fluoridation because they have confirmed that it does not reduce tooth decay and that there is clear evidence that fluoride causes cancer. The American Chemical Society published a 17-page cover story (1988) questioning the safety and effectiveness of fluoridation.
In a number of small villages in Sicily, Turkey and India there is naturally occurring fluoride in the water ranging from 0.7 to 5.4 ppm. Here the villagers and their livestock are chronically ill, while neighboring villages with no fluoride have no such illnesses. Premature aging is the overall effect. Children have brown decaying teeth; young adults often have none. Young men are bent over and crippled with pain in their joints and hips. Their skin is wrinkled and they look 60 at age 30 to 40. There is premature hardening of the arteries, loss of appetite & sex drive by age 30. The rate of stillborn miscarriages by 4 months is extremely high.

In the U.S. a disease of brown decaying teeth has been known since 1916. In 1931 it was identified as "dental fluorosis". Bone disorders (skeletal fluorosis, osteoporosis and arthritic pains) from fluoride in the water have been reported in the U.S. In Bartlett, TX (1943-1953) where the water had 8ppm fluoride, the death rate was 3 times higher than in neighboring Cameron, TX with 0.4 ppm fluoride. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and The Safe Water Foundation estimate 30,000 to 50,000 excess deaths each year in areas where there is 1 ppm fluoride in the drinking water, the normal added amount.

Fluoride IS a poison! The 1984 issue of Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products lists fluoride as more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It has been used as a pesticide for mice, rats and other small pests. A 10# infant could be killed by 1/100 of an ounce and a 100# adult could be killed by 1/10 of an ounce of fluoride. The Akron Regional Poison Center indicates that a 7 ounce tube of toothpaste contains 199 mg. of fluoride, more than enough to kill a 25# child. Even Procter & Gamble, the maker of Crest, acknowledges that this is true "theoretically, at least." There are documented deaths of infants and children caused by "normal dosage" of fluoride tablets or treatments.

The acceleration of the aging process by fluoride occurs at the bio-chemical level by means of:

enzyme inhibition;
collagen breakdown;
genetic damage; and/or
disruption of the immune system per se.
Fluoride damages enzymes which results in a wide range of chronic diseases. Fluoride as low as 1 ppm causes breakdown of collagen, the most abundant of the body's protein at 30%. It also leads to irregular formation of collagen which serves as a major structural component of skin, ligaments, tendons, muscles, cartilage, bones and teeth. The United States Pharmacopoeia lists some of the side effects from drinking 1 to 2 pints daily of municipally fluoridated water. The list includes: nausea, bloody vomit, faintness, stomach cramps, tremors, constipation, aching bones, stiffness, skin rash, weight loss, and brown or black discoloration of the teeth. The 1991 Physicians' Desk Reference lists some of the same side effects from administered doses of fluoride.

Fluoride interacts with the bonds which maintain the normal shape of proteins. With distorted protein, the immune system attacks it's own protein, the body's own tissue. Fluoride (at 1 ppm) in drinking water:

damages the immune system by inhibiting the migration rate of white blood cells to infected areas;
interferes with phagocytosis (the destruction of bacteria and other foreign agents by white blood cells); and
induces the release of superoxide free radicals in resting white blood cells.
This fluoride-induced interference leads to an increased and more prolonged exposure of the body to foreign materials and leads to the release of free radicals which damage the body and leads to a further acceleration of the aging process.
Proctor and Gamble studies which they published in Mutation Research, 1989, showed that fluoride at less than 1 ppm caused genetic damage in Chinese hamsters. Many studies make it clear that fluoride causes genetic damage. The mechanism cannot be exactly pinpointed because fluoride interferes with a number of physiological processes. Most evidence indicates that it acts on the DNA Repair Enzyme System. It may also interfere with DNA synthesis or act directly on the DNA. In any case, damaged DNA and a slowed down DNA Repair Enzyme System lead to a snowballing cycle of aging > damage > aging > damage, etc. If the unrepaired DNA damage occurs in a cell which gives rise to a sperm or egg cell, the damage will be replicated in every cell of the offspring's body and will lead to a birth defect. Unrepaired damage of a segment of DNA responsible for control of cell growth can lead to tumors and/or cancer.

In the 1930s, H. Trendly Dean of the U.S. Public Health Service conducted extensive surveys which showed that as fluoride levels in the water increased, so did the incidence of dental fluorosis. Then Dr. Gerald Cox, on the staff of the Mellon Institute (the Mellons owned ALCOA Aluminum, a fluoride-polluting industry), claimed that if some fluoride was bad for teeth, a smaller amount was good and should be added to the water. In the late 1930s, Dean started publishing purposely skewed data to show that fluoride caused reduction in tooth decay. The USPHS was under the jurisdiction of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, founder of ALCOA. Dr. Cox convinced a Wisconsin dentist, J. J. Frisch, to promote the addition of fluoride to the water supply. This was the beginning of the infiltration into the ADA & the AMA all to find an outlet for the by-product fluoride from the phosphate fertilizer and the aluminum industries. The rest of the conspiracy is too long and involved to present here, but you are referred to the book which is the basis of this report.


This information is based upon the book Fluoride, The Aging Factor
by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis, Health Action Press, 1993.
We also suggest a visit to theNatural Health and Longevity Resource Center's fine page on the Biological Effects of Fluorides, and please look at our Fluoride Solution page.

If that's not enough Here's More: Fluoridation / Fluoride
Toxic Chemicals In Your Water

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Note: For more information on health-building techniques, please see the Holistic Healing Web Page.


Fluoride compounds which are put in water (fluoridation), toothpaste and supplement tablets (including some vitamins) were never tested for safety before approval. Recent independent research by scientists not associated with dental trade organizations has shown the following:


Neurotoxic and Lowers IQ
In 1995, neurotoxicologist and former Director of toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occured and the behavior patterns of the animals was adversely effected. Offspring of pregnant animals receiving relatively low doses of fluoride showed permanent effects to the brain which were seen as hyperactivity (ADD-like symptoms). Young animals and adult animals given fluoride experienced the opposite effect -- hypoactivity or sluggishness. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously-classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride had lower IQs.


A study published in Brain Research shows that rats drinking only 1 part per million fluoride (NaF) in water had histologic lesions in their brain similar to Alzheimer's disease and dementia. In addition, evidence was seen pointing to possible damage to the blood brain barrier from extended fluoride exposure. This study was the third in a series of papers published by Varner et al. Brain Research Vol. 784 No. 12 p 284-298 (1998). Results of this recent study and other studies showing significant dangers from low-level fluoride exposure were presented at a recent scientific symposium.


Causes Cancer
The Department of Health in New Jersey found that bone cancer in male children was between two and seven times greater in areas where water was fluoridated. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) researchers confirmed the bone cancer-causing effects of fluoride at low levels in an animal model. A new study has shown that fluoridation of water is linked to uterine cancer deaths.


Changes Bone Structure and Strength
Fluoride gradually builds up in the bones and causes adverse changes to the bone structure. Quite a few studies have shown that fluoridation leads to increases in hip fractures. The tensile strength of the hip is destroyed over time by fluoride ingestion.


Causes Birth Defects and Perinatal Deaths
A toxicologist in the United Kingdom recently found that perinatal deaths in a fluoridated area was 15% higher than in neighboring non-fluoridated areas. The fluoridated area had a higher socio-economic status and would have been expected to have less perinatal deaths. The fluoridated area also had a 30% higher rate of Down's Syndrome. Chile banned fluoridation because of research by the world-reknowned researcher, Dr Albert Schatz, which showed a link to infant deaths due to fluoridation.


Proven Ineffective
Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects. All of the recent large-scale studies of water fluoridation have shown that there are no positive effects. There is scientific evidence that increased fluoride exposure leads to increased levels of caries. That is why countries without fluoridation have shown an equal improvement in dental health as those with fluoridation. Even pro-fluoridation scientists admit that there is not any properly-conducted research showing that fluoride supplements help prevent cavities. (Note: check vitamins carefully to be sure they do not include fluoride.)


Impairs Immune System
Independent research has shown that fluoride impairs the functioning of the immune system. In the United States, where toxic fluoride compounds are regularly added to water and given to children since the 1960s and 1970s, we are beginning to see an overwhelming number of people of that generation who are developing chronic immune system disorders.


Causes Acute Adverse Reactions
Several double-blind studies have shown that fluoridated water can often cause acute adverse reactions (in addition to the chronic poisoning effects discussed below). Some of the effects seen in double-blind studies include: gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness. An enlightening review of a book by one famous and well-respected researcher from The Netherlands who found adverse reactions in double-blind experiments can be read here.


Causes Initial Stages of Skeletal Fluorosis
Fluoride can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels. Chronic, long-term exposure to levels of fluoride commonly found in water and food in the U.S. can cause the beginning stages of skeletal fluorosis including: pains in bones and joints, sensations of burning, pricking, and tingling in the limbs, muscle weakness, chronic fatigue, gastrointestinal disorders, reduced appetite, backache, osteoarthritis, etc. In fact, decades of ingestion of fluoride from water and other common sources can be expected to cause these symptoms in large numbers of people based on calculations of fluoride intake and excretion. (Keep in mind that fluoride is a cumulative poison since it builds up in the body of years.) Very few healthcare practitioners are capable of diagnosing such a condition because healthcare practitioners are not trained to test for or recognize the effects chronic poisoning from fluoride.


Increases Lead and Arsenic Exposure
Fluoride compounds put into water are often contaminated with lead, arsenic and radio nuclides since the fluoride compounds are toxic waste byproducts which largely come from pollution scrubbers of fertilizer plants. A study published in 2000 showed that the dumping of toxic silicofluoride compounds into water ("fluoridation") causes an increase in blood lead levels in children.


Fluoride Causes Osteoarthritis
In a study published in Rhuematology International in 2001, researchers found a link between fluoride exposure and the development of osteoarthritis. The level of exposure that caused osteoarthritis is common in the United States.


Contributes to the Development of Repetitive Stress Injury
A clinical study in New Zealand showed that fluoride ingestion may be a contributing factor in the development of Repetative Stress Injury (RSI) since such ingestion may encourage the development of apatite crystal formation. Elimination of fluoride plus regular supplementation of magnesium appeared to help RSI patients considerably.


Causes Permanent Disfigurement of the Teeth in Many Children
A very large and increasing number of children are experiencing dental fluorosis which is a permanent adverse structural change to the teeth.


Inhibits Key Enzymes
As fluoride builds up in different parts of the body over decades it can disrupt the actions of many key enzymes. This fact has been known for a long time.


Supresses Thyroid Function
Fluoride was given at low levels during the early to mid 20th century as an effective way of supressing thyroid function and treating hyperthyroidism. Articles and research can be found on the Thyroid web page.


Causes Large Numbers of Acute Poisonings
Fluoride is an extremely poisonous substances at exceptionally low doses and has caused a large number of acute poisonings. This is why a poison warning is now required on fluoridated toothpastes sold in the U.S.


Independent Experts Oppose Dumping Fluoride Into Water
Over 1500 professionals at the US EPA, including toxicologists and risk assessment experts voted unanimously to oppose the fluoridation initiative in California because of the health risks involved. See summary or official EPA union statement. Even the Candian Dental Association Consultant and Researcher urged people to avoid drinking fluoridated water.


Unethical
Fluoridation amounts to forced medication of the water supply. Such practices demonstrate a complete lack of ethics on the part of its promoters. Studies as early the 1930s showed extreme hazards to man and the environment due to fluoride dumping and exposure. Companies and organizations involved used the promotion of "fluoridation" as a way to avoid lawsuits due to dumping toxic wastes and later for economic gain. Please read the short history of fluoridation for more detailed information.


Banned in Many Countries
Fluoridation is not legal or not used in the overwhelming number of countries including industrialized countries. Please see Fluoride Status of Countries web page.


Many independent researchers, organizations, holistic healthcare experts and a growing number of dentists who avoid the use of toxic substances are warning their patients to avoid fluoridated water and fluoridated toothpaste and to definately not give children any fluoride since they appear to be more susceptible to the neurological toxicity from fluoride.

If your water department adds toxic fluoride compounds to the water, the best course of action is usually to drink and cook with bottled "spring" water. Carbon filters do not remove fluoride compounds to any significant extent. Avoid putting fluoridated water in humidifiers. Many non-organic juices have large amounts of fluoride from pesticide residues. It is best to juice your own vegetables and fruits from organic produce or go to a health food store to purchase organic juices.

Avoid toothpastes that have fluoride even if the manufacturers claim that the fluoride came from "natural" sources. Even though topical fluoride treatment may have an effect to help remineralize cavities at the early stages, the combination of a healthy diet, proper dental hygiene and saliva can have a similar effect. It is impossible to avoid swallowing some fluoride from fluoridated toothpaste. I have tried various toothpastes and current use the natural Weleda toothpaste with baking soda. I like that fact that it does not contain fluoride or the detergent, sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS).

More detailed information about fluoride and proper dental care:


Fluoridation Does Not Prevent Tooth Decay


Fluoride: Detailed General & Scientific Information


Fluoride: Journal of the International Society for Fluoride Research


Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children: Main Page / Toxicological Profile / Thyroid Page


International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology Position Paper on Fluoridation (Click on Download Article)


Scientific Statement Signed By 1,500+ U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Scientists and Professionals


NoFluoride.com (Statements by Scientific and Medical Experts)


Fluoride Action Network


Fluoride Issues Web Page


Fluorides & Fluoridation: Evidence Based on Science?


Citizens for Safe Drinking Water


Fluoride: The Deadly Legacy by Gary Null


Book Review: The Fluoride Deception


History of Fluorine, Fluoride and Fluoridation


Article & Resources for Eliminating Dental Disease


Alternatives to Fluoridated Water


Preventive Dental Association


Dental Fluorosis Prevention Program

Bull. Fluoride's nothing. Hydrogen's the most deadly substance there is.

Here's some examples -

What caused the Hindenburg explosion? Hydrogen.

What is the substance that makes H-bombs so much more deadly than A-bombs? Hydrogen.

When people drown, what is the majority element involved? Hydrogen.

Would you drink HYDROchloric acid or HYDROGEN peroxide?

Would breathe HYDROcarbons?


We know what you're up to. You're just another member of the worldwide conspiracy against decent folks, and you're trying to use this fluoride crap to distract us from the real danger -

HYDROGEN!

Crawl back to your masters and tell them your pack of lies didn't work. We're coming after them, and we'll stop their nefarious hydrogen plot. They will have their reckoning!

No argument with the facts presented. Marginalization by ridicule. Not only is this not discussion, which is what we do here, it's not even debate. Pretty much basic trolling.

You deny the dangers of hydrogen?

I grew up in one of the first American cities to have its water supply fluoridated. The result of using too much fluoride in the drinking water was a generation of children from a small city in Pennsylvania who all have chalky, yellow teeth. When my dentist here in California looked at my teeth for the first time, he asked me where I grew up. I told him "Pennsylvania," and he named the city.

So, who is responsible for this attack on America? Is it the Nazis, the Commies, or the "sinister network of subversive agents, Godless 'intellectual' parasites?"

Those being the parties mentioned in Zeb's article.

I would say that it was perpetrated by the aluminum industry, who spent a lot of money lobbying congress and the ADA to get fluoridation pushed through. I don't view it as an attack on America, per se, but I do view it as an offense against the American people by an industry who solved their toxic waste disposal problem by bribing government and the ADA into istitutionalizing the use of that waste in a highly questionable program of adding the stuff to drinking water in supposedly benign amounts. Sort of like the recent push to have some low-level radiological waste decared benign so that it could be added to other metals for the manufacture of such common items as cooking and eating utensils, among other applications. Capitalism at its worst.

Please excuse me but

C'mon people, FOCUS! Sheeeeit!

No, no, this is important! How can we worry about little things like the death of habeas corpus when the "[i]ndependent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span" from 69.7 years in 1956 to 77.9 years in 2004?

Bingo.

Hammer. Nail. Head. KABLAM

Um, wait a minute here.

When my son was a kid, living in a town that did not floridate the water because the Montana locals didn't want no government messin about with their water, the kids doctor prescribed floride.

Now, you tell me, (I already know the answer) why did he do that?
Aluminum company profits?
Mind control so they could have another body for Iraq?

Ya know, there really are REAL ISSUES to deal with, right now!
This is the kind of stuff that causes the conservatives to consider us "loony lefties" and I can't blame them!

I'm with you Sky. I live in a house that's not hooked up to city water, so we have a well in the back yard. Excellent water, but no fluoride. So I have the kids rinse with ACT after they brush their teeth. They don't swallow any of it, mind.

There are many bigger things to worry about just now.

ETA just remembered. I once knew a German lady, while I lived in Germany, who said she could not drink American fluoridated water when they would come here on vacation. She seemed to be allergic to it.

In order to protect my precious bodily fluids, I always neutralize the fluoride with calomel and litharge.

Sky, I imagine it's probably because the doctors have been fed the same line of bull as the rest of us regarding flouride.

Pinget, that's good. It's only hazardous to your health if you ingest it.

In this case, the Doctor was a Dentist.
People have been making the flouride claim ever since they invented the stuff,
and in the 40 or 50 years that this conspiracy claim has been circulated,
there hasn't been any more proof than there has been for UFO's.

I'm not saying it's impossible.
I will though restate that we got REAL, CONCRETE, VERIFIABLE issues right now!
I am far more concerned about Bush and the diminishing power of the Constitution than I am about the incredibly remote possibility that flouride is in any way dangerous, or that there is a conspiracy there.

With all the evidence presented from REAL, CONCRETE, and VERIFABLE organizations and agencies about the effects of fluoride poisoning your efforts to cover-up this beastly corruption calls into question your motives. Why on earth do you want to hide the fact millions of people are being slowly poisoned with fluoride? Remember in the articles how concentration camps used fluoride to make the people docile: “The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty”. "When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. ...” “Let's begin at the beginning: The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission”. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.) Is fluoride the reason Americans are not aggressively demanding a real investigation of 9-11? Accountability for the theft of two presidential elections? The lost of privacy right guaranteed by the constitution stolen by N.S.A.? The war in Iraq Americans strongly urge this illegitimate president not to fight, yet he did it anyway. Where is the strong unyielding opposition to the misuse of the government? The misuse of Executive privilege? The misuse of the Bill of Rights? All the enormous conflicts of interest and the wars resulting from them. Is it fluoride combined with media propaganda rendering Americans passive in the wake of this assault on the American constitution? Yes we Americans are being treated like cattle. Any time the government can claim an aircraft (flight 77) crashed into the pentagon, and no wreckage exists at the crime scene and we as American except this huge lie; something is terribly wrong! I submit to all true Americans fluoride is a major factor.

Well, there has to be some reason why the American public are stunned sheeple, incapable of resisting the take over of their country by the Neocon cabal.
Guess this is a good an explanation as any.

So, do tell, exactly who is the diabolical cabal insidiously attacking America? The Jews? The Masons? The Illuminati? The Jesuits?

American corporations.

All of them?

I do hope you have familerized yourself with all the research literature from those who support floridation.

You know, people bitched about irradiated food too.



I will again remind us, and I will continue to remind us until the current very real crisis has passed,
that we have far more important and pressing issues to deal with than Floridation.
However, I'll be reasonable. If this REALLY is a buggaboo for you, then drink bottled water. Problem solved.
(that's another scam we been sold, but lets not go there right now)



Chemtrails anyone?

Bolshevik Revolution a Petri Dish of Jewish Attitudes, Behavior (The photos are not posted)

by Max Hadden

THE FOLLOWING EVENTS READ LIKE A HORROR STORY and are treated as if they never happened by our mass media and educational system here in America and worldwide. This article is not an unscientific "let's blame the Jews for the plague" or religiously-motivated "confess witch" sort of hysterical accusation. It's simply a chronological account of historical facts with very little editorial commentary by the writers. (illustration: Trotsky portrayed as a devil in a Polish poster of 1920)

Further, this doesn't mean that all Jews are Communists or all Communists are Jews. It does demonstrate 1) that the "Russian" Revolution was not Russian but Jewish, 2) that Jews can behave much worse than what they accuse Germans and "nazis" of doing, and 3) the Jews are not the blameless, innocent, altruistic and wrongfully persecuted religious minority group they claim to be. If Jews don't want to be collectively blamed, then maybe the Jews should stop collectively blaming the Germans for their so-called Holocaust.

A warning: If you're squeamish, some of the details describing Jewish brutality are extremely graphic. Also, notice the constant use of aliases by so many Jews. The sort of people who change their names are mostly those who commit crimes or who perform on stage or film. I would suggest that the Jews are both and continue to do both.

THE RISE OF COMMUNISM

In 1793, Poland was divided between Prussia and Russia. This was of paramount significance to Russia because she acquired the world's largest Jewish population.

Russia had always had an Imperial Government with a Czar (or Tsar) as supreme ruler. A Czar had decreed (1772) that Jews could settle in Greater Russia but only in the vast area known as the "Pale of Settlement".


The Pale extended from the Crimea to the Baltic Sea, encompassing an area half as great as Western Europe.

Because Jews had always maintained a separate community (kahal) within Christian societies, the Pale can not be called abusive. It not only protected Russians from Jewish influence, but protected Jews from being kicked out by their Christian hosts after Jewish influence was felt and despised.

Under Czar Alexander I, many restrictions against residence "beyond the Pale" (one should recognize this popular saying) were relaxed, and by 1881, the Jews had prospered greatly and achieved a monopoly over the liquor, tobacco, and retail industries. As Jews do everywhere... Gentiles were elbowed out.

Out of this environment were born Zionism and Communism.

Despite their prosperity and fair treatment by Russian Czars, Jewish Marxists slowly began fomenting revolution. A plot in the house of Jewess Hesia Helfman was successful. Czar Alexander II was blown up.

In 1895, the millionaire Jew Alexander Parvus (real name Israel Helphand) said war would break out between Japan and Russia, and that a "Russian" revolution would be born of this conflict.


Parvus was instrumental in guiding the ideology of the Jew Leon Trotsky (born Leiba Bronstein) as well as the (at minimum) one-quarter Jewish and probably half-Jewish Vladimir Lenin (Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov).

The main lesson Trotsky learned from Parvus was this: Jewish people are their own collective Messiah and would reach dominion over all peoples through the mixing of the races and elimination of all national boundaries.

THE FAILED ATTEMPT

The Russo-Japanese war, as Parvus had predicted, began in 1904. "American" Jewish loan shark Jacob Schiff financed the Japanese military with a loan of $200 million.


This was the same Jacob Schiff who made sure that no banks were permitted to lend money to the Russians while at the same time he supported revolutionary Jews in Russia known as "Jewish self-defense groups" (sound familiar?).

On Sunday, Jan. 22, 1905, thousands of workers and their families were led by trade union leader Father Gapon, known as the "little Father," in a peaceful protest in front of the seat of the Imperial government, the Winter Palace.

Alexandar Parvus and his Jewish comrade Peter Pinhas (actually Rutenberg) took advantage of the protest by placing snipers in the trees of a park across from the Palace, ordering the men to shoot at Palace guards.

The guards had no choice but to shoot back, and in the confusion and crossfire, 150 to 200 were killed. Jewish propagandists claimed "thousands had lost their lives" and that this was due to Czarism.

Jewish terrorists had assassinated numerous Imperial government leaders from 1901 to 1905. Five of these were: Bogolepov (1901), Sipyagin (1902), Bogdanovich (1903), von Plehve (1904), and Grand Duke Sergei (1905).

StolypinThe Czar named Peter Stolypin Prime Minister. Stolypin put an end to the terror by enforcing martial law. 600 were court-martialled and executed in 1906, while most, 35000, fled abroad, mainly to Palestine.

Stolypin's house was bombed in the spring of 1906. 27 were killed and 32 wounded. Among the dead was his son. His daughter was thrown out of the house by the force of the explosion and was lame the rest of her life.

Prime Minister Stolypin was shot at point blank range with a pistol by the Jewish terrorist Mordekai Bogrov at the opera in Kiev on Sep. 1, 1911. Stolypin died 4 days later.

THE OCTOBER REVOLUTION

Just as the atmosphere of war had been used as a spark by Jewish revolutionaries in their first attempt to overthrow Czarist Russia in 1905, the First World War would soon be ignited—and capitalized upon.

The assassination of Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austrian throne, was carried out by the Jewish assassin Gavrilo Princip using a Browning pistol on Jun. 28, 1914.

The Zionist newspaper PEIEWISCHE VORDLE wrote on Jan. 13, 1919, "The international Jewry... believed it necessary to force Europe into the war so that a new Jewish era could begin throughout the world."

By 1917, Jewish desire to destroy the Czar had poisoned the urban population of Russia. WWI had caused food shortages, breakdowns in transportation, and factory closings due to material shortages.

Second-string Jewish revolutionaries, their leaders being out of the country, fanned the flames of dissent. On Mar. 10, 1917 an American photographer, Donald Thompson, reported that a rich man who tried to pass through the growing mob "... was dragged out of his sleigh and beaten. He took refuge in a stalled streetcar where he was followed by the workingmen. One of them took a small iron bar and beat his head to a pulp... Many of the men carried red flags..."

The only thing holding the mob in check was the St. Petersburg police. So the mob turned on the police who were forced to barricade themselves in their police stations. Here they were slaughtered almost to the last man, and the prisons were emptied of their entire populations, including desperate criminals of every category.


Czar Nicholas II was not in St. Petersburg at the time, but after hearing the details and misunderstanding the situation, he sent a message requesting that the Duma (legislature) be dissolved. The Czar abdicated his throne five days later.

Two governing bodies ruled Russian jointly for the next eight months starting Mar. 12, 1917. The "Provisional Government" and the "Petersburg Soviet."

The Provisional Government made the fatal "mistake" of permitting all exiled political prisoners to return to Russia. At least ninety thousand streamed into Russia in late April, May, June, and July.

These 90,000 exiles were the heart of the coming "Bolshevik" Revolution. They were almost to the last man... Jewish. Leon Trotsky (Bronstein) had returned with hundreds of his Yiddish brethren from New York's East Side.

When Lenin arrived in St. Petersburg in April 1917, he found the Petersburg Soviet dominated by the Mensheviks, but they were badly divided among themselves. He bitterly criticized this state of affairs.

Lenin advocated the violent overthrow of the Provisional Government. Recall that the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were majority and minority factions of the same party. Both factions were completely Jewish-controlled.

The returning exiles, though not all originally Bolsheviks, were hungry for power. Trotsky, who had in 1905 been a Menshevik, immediately joined the Bolsheviks on his return from New York.

Throughout April, May, and June of 1917, the Bolsheviks preached the destruction of the Provisional Government to the factory workers and soldiers around St. Petersburg. "All power to the Soviets!" was their slogan.

RadekThe Jew Karl Radek (real name Tobiach Sobelsohn) was one of the many "revolutionaries" who stirred up agitation among Russian people.

Lenin began publishing a large number of periodicals, a total of 41, including 17 daily newspapers. The circulation of Pravda increased from 3,000 to 300,000 in May 1917. It was given to soldiers at the German front.

The Bolsheviks even bought a printing office for 260,000 rubles. But where was the money needed to build this propaganda machine coming from? Russia was engaged in a costly war with Germany.

On July 17th, the French attaché Pierre Laurent gave copies of 29 telegrams from Lenin and (the Jews) Ganetsky, Kollontay, Sumenson, Kozlovsky, and Zinoviev to Colonel Boris Nikitin, chief of the Russian Secret Service.

Laurent had chosen this day to visit Col. Nitikin because Bolshevik anti-government agitation had resulted in an unscheduled uprising by the worker-soldier population of St. Petersburg known as the "July Days" and the information he possessed explained the financing though wrongly assumed it was German.

Patriotic forces leaked the information to Russian newspapers. The authors presented various excerpts from the documents provided by Laurent to Nikitin which showed that the Bolshevik leader, Lenin, had been given money for his campaign by Germans (actually German Jews).

Lenin had received money and instructions from the Jew Jakub Fuerstenberg (real name Yakov Ganetsky) and Alexander Parvus and from Ganetsky's relative, the Jewess Yevgenia (Dora) Sumenson. Another who received this money was the Polish Jewish Bolshevik lawyer Mieczyslaw Kozlowski.

Given these public revelations, on the 20th of July the Provisional Government wrote an order of arrest for Lenin, Zinoviev, and Kamenev (Rosenfeld) citing high treason for Germany.

The Provisional Government was not originally a revolutionary body and was made up of former "liberal" members of the Czar's Imperial government and led by Prince Lvov. However, the Jew Alexander Kerensky (Aaron Kuerbis, aka Adler) was vice-president and the only member who also belonged to the Petersburg Soviet.

Kerensky had cooperated closely with Mordekai Bogrov, the assassin of Prime Minister Stolypin. So closely in fact that immediately after the murder, Kerensky fled the country in fear.


THE "JULY DAYS" MASSACRE

Whether Kerensky (known as the Jewish Napoleon) was responsible for ordering the mob fired on is unclear, but several hundred people were killed from July 17th to July 20th, and on July 21st, Kerensky became Prime Minister.

On July 22nd, Lenin and Zinoviev left St. Petersburg. Public opinion had been rising against the Bolsheviks as a result of their German (actually Jewish) financial deals. Trotsky, Lunacharsky, Kollontay, Kozlowski, Kamenev, and Sumenson were all arrested. But this was only done to calm the public. Kerensky began releasing arrested Bolsheviks less than a month later, as early as the 17th of August.

KornilovFurther evidence that Kerensky supported his fellow Jewish comrades was the following; Supreme Commander of the Russian Army, General Lavr Kornilov, broke away and began plans to overthrow Kerensky. Left-wing leaders, mostly Jews, have always regarded national patriots as the biggest threats to their international socialist world-view. Gen. Kornilov was arrested on September 14th, but later escaped.

Kerensky continued to release Bolsheviks who were cleared of all charges and presented as defenders of democracy. The Bolsheviks started encouraging workers to defend the Provisional Government.

On September 17, Leon Trotsky was released from prison. One week later, he was elected president of the Petersburg Soviet. On October 26, all military power was handed over to the "Military Revolutionary Committee."

The Military Revolutionary Committee consisted of 18 Commissars of whom nearly all were Jewish; Trotsky, Yoffe, Unschlicht, Boky, Ovseyenko, Mekhonoshin, Lashevich, Lazimir, Sadovsky, Podvoisky, Molotov, Nevsky, Bubnon, and Skrypnik. All Jewish. Lenin (part Jew and married to the Jewess Krupsakaya), Dzerzhinsky (half-Jew or possibly full-Jew), and Dybenko (married to the Jewess Alexandra Kollontay) round out the rest of this Jewish terrorist gang.

On November 4, the Military Revolutionary Committee arranged mass meetings to prepare for the forthcoming revolt. On the following day the garrison of the Peter and Paul fortress, having succumbed to Jewish propaganda, declared an alliance with the Bolsheviks.

On November 7, the Bolsheviks seized power by taking over the Winter Palace. According to the Jewish myth, 5,000 sailors had gathered outside the Palace earlier in the morning to "storm" it. In actual fact the Palace was taken over by a few hundred mostly Jewish revolutionaries who calmly marched into it. There was no "storming" of the Palace. No blood was spilt.

Trotsky, somewhat of a Steven Spielberg, wanted the event to appear more dramatic than it actually was, so shells were fired from the Peter-Paul Fort while trams continued to roll over the Troitsky Bridge. No shells ever struck the Winter Palace.

The "Social Democrat Bolshevik Party" was renamed the "Communist Party" on March 8, 1918. Because German soldiers were approaching Petersburg, the Communists fled, moving the capital to Moscow on March 11.

THE RED TERROR

The new government quickly came under attack by anti-Communist (White Russian) forces, Trotsky was made Commissar of War for the Red Army. A peace treaty ending Russia's part in WWI was drawn up.

WWI having been taken care of, the Communists could now focus their attention on defeating the true Russian patriots mounting a counter-revolution. Lenin and his Jewish Commissars would now begin the "Red Terror."

UritskyThe Commune Commissariat for Internal Affairs and the Extra-Ordinary Commission, known as the "Cheka," was founded on December 7, 1917 in secrecy. The Jew Moisei Uritsky (Boretsky), a man who would kill 5000 officers with his bare hands, was its first Commissar.

In July of 1918, a Jewish Chekist, Yankel Yurovsky, ordered the deaths of Czar Nicholas II and his family. Yurovsky killed the Czar personally, shooting him in the head.

The Czar's wife, children, and servants were killed by firing squad. One of the killers even beat the children's dog to death. A Jewish chemist, Pinkus Voikov (Weiner), destroyed the bodies using sulphuric acid.


On Aug. 30, the Jewish head of the Cheka, Uritsky, was assassinated. Lenin had ordered his murder because he had refused to start a terror campaign after another Jewish Commissar, V. Volodarsky (real name Moisei Goldstein) had been killed.

It turned out that Lenin had also ordered the murder of Volodarsky for two reasons; first, to remove an undesirable, and second, more importantly, to have a reason for mass murdering the "enemy classes." His murderer, although never caught, was immediately branded as a right-wing Social Revolutionary.

In the book Lenin, David Shub described what happened to many ‘class enemies,’ "... they were stood up against the courtyard wall and shot. ... sounds of death were muffled by the roar of truck motors kept going for the purpose."

50% of the Cheka was made up of Jews with Jewish names, 25% had taken Russian names. All the chiefs were Jews. Its primary purpose was to put down real Russian patriots who comprised the enemy classes.

The Cheka often arrested whole families and tortured the children before the eyes of their parents, and the wives before their husbands.

Jewish Bolsheviks Bela Kun (Aaron Kohn) and Roza Zemlyachka (Roza Zalkind) drowned Russian officers in barges in the Crimea in 1920. Jewish Chekist Mikhail Kedrov (Zederbaum) drowned 1,092 officers in the White Sea.


The Jewish Chekists liked torturing their victims. The priests in Kherson were crucified. Archbishop Andronnikov in Perm had his eyes poked out and his ears and nose cut off.

There were Chekists who cut open their victim's stomach, pulled out a length of small intestine, nailed it to a telegraph pole, and with a whip forced the victim to run circles around the pole until the whole intestine became unraveled.

Eyes of church dignitaries were poked out, their tongues cut off, and they were buried alive. The bishop of Voronezh was boiled alive in a big pot, after which monks, revolvers at their heads, were forced to drink.

In Kharkov people were scalped. In Tsaritsyn and Kamyshin hands were amputated with a saw. In Poltava and Kremchug the victims were impaled. In Odessa they were roasted alive in ovens or ripped to pieces.


In Kiev, victims were placed in coffins with decomposing bodies and buried alive. In Voronezh torture victims were put into barrels in which nails were hammered to stick out on the inside, then the barrels were set rolling.

The Russian-Jewish newspaper Yevreyskaya Tribuna on August 24, 1922, stated that Lenin had asked the rabbis if they were satisfied with the cruel executions.

In 1922 in Moscow, many Christian churches were destroyed and a synagogue with capacity for two thousand was built.

During the Red Terror, not a single synagogue was destroyed or turned into a public toilet or storehouse, as happened to churches. Not a single Jewish rabbi was crucified or tortured.

Lists of those executed were published in the Cheka's weekly newspaper. The Cheka employed body counters. It can be proved that 1.7 million were executed from 1918-1919.

Another 1.7 million were murdered from January 1921 to April 1922. Among the victims were bishops, professors, doctors, police, journalists, writers, military officers, workers, civil servants, nurses, farmers, and lawyers.


Without most of their leaders, and the fact that the few left had no way to spread their ideas (no media access), the Russian masses were incapable of counter-revolution against the Jewish Communists.

FURTHER INTERESTING FACTS

What about the hammer and sickle? In the Old Testament it is written that Yahweh has been like unto a hammer in his destruction of other peoples (Jeremiah 50:23). The sickle is also mentioned in Jeremiah 50:16. Interestingly, the Zionist Socialist Party, which acted most intensively in Russia during the coup attempts of 1905-1906, was called THE SICKLE.

Lenin also took the opportunity to proclaim sexual freedom in December 1917 (even homosexuality was decriminalized)—as happened after the Jacobin coup in 1791 in France. Jewish Bolsheviks frequently organized naked marches and propagated group-sexuality. Abortion was legalized and rape also became far more common. The Jew Antoly Lunacharsky, commissar for education and culture, declared, "That little institution of manners which is the family... that entire curse... shall become a closed chapter."

In 1920, Josef Stalin (Dzhugashvili), introduced a law which made it illegal for anyone to be denied employment or housing or accommodation on account of their racial or ethnic background. He set up a government commission to enforce this law, which investigated claims of racial or ethnic discrimination and which brought charges against employers or officials who were suspected of such discrimination. This law effectively eliminated the right of free association. Henceforth, no one could freely decide whom he would hire, to whom he could sell, or by whose side he would work. It was officially called the "All Race Law." (Free Speech, Aug. 1995, Vol. I, Num. 8, "While We Slept", by Kevin Alfred Strom)


The above cut is taken from Trotsky's book, Stalin. It is a reproduction of a postcard widely circulated in Russia following the Bolshevik Revolution entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian Revolution." Trotsky used this as evidence that Stalin, whom he despised, was not part of the October Revolution. It also reveals the Jewishness of the original leaders of the Communist Party. (2) is Trotsky (Bronstein), (3) is Zinoviev, (4) is Lunacharsky, (5) is Kamenev, and (6) is Sverdlov. All 5 are Jewish. (1) is obviously Lenin who was one-quarter and probably one-half Jewish and married to a Jewess.

CONCLUSION

Such were the major events of—and those leading up to—what can rightfully be called the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution of 1917-1922, a revolution that is deceitfully called a "Russian" Revolution. The Jewish names read like movie credits.

For the still disbelieving, there exists a plethora of information to support the aforementioned facts. For example, The Times admitted on September 18, 1920: "The Soviet regime relies on Jewish brains... and the terrible Russian ignorance." In 1922, Victor Marsden, of the British newspaper the Morning Post, published the names of all 545 civil servants with the government administration. 477 of them were Jews and only 30 (5.5%) were Russians. Even Moisei Uritsky's secretary was a 17-year-old Jewish girl (from Heinrich Laretei's memoirs To the Toy of Fate, Lund, 1970, p. 75). Clara Sheridan in the New York World on December 13, 1923 said: "The Communist leaders are Jews and Russia is entirely dominated by them. They are in every town, ine very government bureau, in the offices and the editorials staffs of the newspapers. They drive away the Russians and are responsible for the increasingly anti-Semitic attitude."

There is plenty more evidence of Jewish involvement in Communism for the avid researcher including The Rulers of Russia by Rev. Dennis Fahey, Winston Churchill's article in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of Feb. 8, 1920, and numerous other sources including the U.S. government archives and the Jewish Encyclopedia. I highly recommend Commander George Lincoln Rockwell's book White Power for details about Jewish crimes and criminals in the U.S. as well as Frank Britton's book Behind Communism and Under the Sign of the Scorpion by Jueri Lina (the latter two being the sources of nearly all the information contained in this article; they in turn reference the Enclyclopedia Judaica).

An extremely important fact is that the mass-murdering Jews who stole Russia and other countries from their inhabitants continued their killing spree for many years. The Jew Lazar Kaganovich along with the Jew Yan Yakovlev (real name Epstein) organized a famine in the Ukraine and northern Caucasia by collectivising farms in what was called "de-kulakisation." Land was taken away from the land-owning farmers (kulaks).


About 15 million people died as a result of collectivisation and the Ukraine famine from 1932-33. The German National Socialists, coming into power in 1933, knew about these Jewish crimes. To hear more please download and listen to Dr. William Pierce's excellent broadcast of January 19, 2002 titled "The Culture of Lies."

Jueri Lina makes the point, "Communism was an ideology which depended on violence to survive. The truth needs no violence," and further adds the fact that, according to the Talmud (Baba Kamma 113b), "God's name is not profaned if a Jew lies to a Goy (Gentile)."

Anyone who still believes that Jews were not responsible for the deaths of untold millions of Gentiles (at least 60 million in Europe) by their leadership of Jewish Communism and its revolutions and terror campaigns is living in the land of Oz.... and not paying attention to the Jews behind the Iron Curtain.

Big ass long posts don't make you more correct.
It only makes your post less likely to be read fully.



Again I pose an answer for you and anyone who considers this a real issue.

Bottled water.




Now, can we PLEASE get back to the REAL ISSUES?
We have a national election that will set the course for the entire planet for decades set to happen in less than 4 weeks.



Fuck Fluoride!
Right now I simply do not have time to give a shit!

So, Zeb, basically your answer is "the Jews." But if I call you an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory wack-job, I'm bound to offend somebody.

So I'll take another tack. Why do you think this horrendous fluoride poisoning hasn't been the subject of a class action lawsuit? If, as you claim, the evidence is all there, all proven, and leads inescapably to the conclusion that fluoridation is a nefarious attempt to poison the American people, why is there no legal action?

Don't tell me, let me guess. Could it be because every single lawyer and judge in these United States is a tool of Da Chooz?

The Jews? whooo, thank You god ! For a minute there i thought you were gonna say the Catholics put flouride in Mark Foleys water , which caused the moral down fall of our society. Thank god there is a third religious group to blame things on and discriminate against.

The truth is out there......

Yep. In Northern Ireland, it's the Jesuits. Pretty much everywhere else, it's the Jews, with the Muslims coming up on the inside.

also, if this is so well proven, why hasn't anyone blown the whistle off this conspiracy ANYTIME in the past half century?
When I was a kid I grew up hearing constantly how Fluoridation was a communist plot, now it's the Jews?
Communist Jews?
BTW, they also complain about chlorine in the water being some sort of plot, never mind it helps keep the water from killing you!

Remember strontium-90 in the milk? This rubbish just keeps coming around, doesn't it?

No my answer is all those you mentioned as in....cabal. The financial backing and the brains of the operations of sedition rest firmly in the hands of the jews/Edomites. Just as in Russia after the Czars were murdered, the jews brought the communism that cause so many deaths in Russia. (something which you totally overlooked) the Jews were the brains behind with coup in Russia(Bolshevism). You have any comments on what Stalin, Lenin, Bela Kun, Trosky of others who started out with Jewish names, what they did to 65 million Europeans? The facts are the facts. The facts lead straight to the Jews. The worn-out anti semitic ploy is only a distraction. My purpose to work to prevent history from repeating itself in this evil wicked fashion. what's your purpose? The others you mentioned with the jews carry out the nefarious operations......And I do mean Nefarious; which is a understatement.

My purpose is to ensure that mentally unstable fools sitting in their basements blaming their many, many personal failures on some grand conspiracy get what they deserve - the laughter of sane, decent people.

Figured out why there hasn't been a class action lawsuit yet? I mean, they took down the cigarette companies, they took down PG&E, they took down Sprint. You think the Great Fluoride Conspiracy is so much more powerful than Big Tobacco or Big Energy that it can stop suits Big Tobacco and Big Energy couldn't stop?

Your hope is that This type of information is not read, or fully understood. Apparently you don't know what a real issue is, or it's relevance. You clearly hate America, Americans and all the U.S. Constitution stands for!

The only mentally unstable fool happens be You; and those like you. People such as yourself who don't have the attention span to read and comprehend pertinent information. A couple of pages of info is far to much for your frail mind to cope with. Pathetic souls of little or no self esteem, stupid little followers working to help those involved in treason to destroy the American people and constitution. Basically cowards who sit back and let this great nation crumble while you knowing and willing help in the destruction. It's always chumps like you who want to divert attention away from serious issues. (You and those like you never comment on the posted article) Your far too stupid to even realize how your being used, or what your purpose really is!

Sorry Zeb, but my first contact with the John Birch Society back in 1961 was when they were on a rampage in Huntsville, TX about fluorides in the water supply. Call it guilt by association if you will, but I have a very hard time aligning myself with anything those moonbats advocated. I still bear some scars from my battles with that band of lunatics in the 60s. If they came out against gravity, I'd be against it.

And I have to say that what I quoted of your post reads an awful like a nasty ad hominem. On the other hand, I've noticed that you've attracted a good many ad hominems yourself.

Wait wait wait, I'm relearning history here.
Moonbats and all that, this obviousely advanced intellectual has just informed us that it was the JEWS that brought and forced communism on the Russian people!


I'll be damned!

You have no idea who or what I am. You have no idea of me other than your own limited imagination allows you.
You are in fact becomeing defensive because I wasn't all that impressed with your 50 year old conspiracy story.



By the way, Elvis is still dead, and space aliens did not kidnap his body.

I know , I'm thinking 4 years of college down the drain, all I had to do was wait 20 years to find out the real story. Of course worrying about the PNAC and its attempt to destroy the constitution and Bill of Rights, all the while destroying lives both here and abroad pales in comparison to the dreaded "Flouride Conspiracy" ..How could i have been so blind?

You try and flatter yourself with your empty meaningless words. I know your type your a dime a dozen. Any body that reads your ignorant ramblings can see how frighten you are of truth. We can can see how you allow yourself to be used like some shameless harlot. Used by enemies of the American government to try, and misdirect, mislead Americans away from the preservation of this nation. Your common; nothing but a pathetic immature traitor, and all the writings I have thus far read from you confirm this.

Zeb, you are a racist. Probably delusional as well. Get help.

Normally I might be flattered to receive such devoted and singular attention.
But in your case, I'm just bored.


Now, go take your meds.

all i can say to this thread is WTF???

This topic would be quite funny, and could be quite serious, and I'm always up for a good conspiracy theory, but it just comes across as a polished and updated "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", Zeb. And thats a shame.
You put a lot of effort, either into researching, or copying this stuff, but it would be good to post some links. A lot of the references you gave for books are a bit "out there" on the far right, and several are more than just a bit delusional. Also your rhetoric is a bit aggressive, and slides nicely into a certain "have guns, will use. Protect America from International Zionism or die trying" kind of hide-in-woods-with-guns mentality.

Incidently, you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. A lot of Jews are actually outspoken anti-zionists, and a lot of Jews are just like you or me. Picking out the few bad apples as examples of how a whole people and religion are is a bit too extreme for my tastes.
How about some names behind the dumping of the fluoride into the water, it happened in pretty much every country around the Globe in the 50's and up to the early 80's, and may even still be going on. Apparently it even happened in Israel...Its an interesting line of thought, but I think there are more sinister and more real problems facing America and by proxy, the World, than what is slipped into our water supply. Lets get rid of the Neo-cons, discredit their perverted ideology, scrub the Bush and restore America to something ressembling sanity, bring the World back from the brink, and THEN concentrate on the industrials and bankers poisoning us !

I only drink wine, and I gargle vodka, so fluoride shouldn't dumb me down too much......

That really was a good speech.
It's just too bad his load is a brick short.

Gadzooks, Now that you’re out of the closet as one of the propagandist/spies I feel honored to fulfill my obligation as an American citizen and expose you as a fake; you’re no patriot! It did not take long to uncover you as a fraud. Consider your cover blown. In this war of information you creeps are losing. The old media is filled with fascist big mouths masking themselves as journalist. Big lies, cover-up, propaganda, mind control, manipulation, and brainwash based on the use of fear is what the Zionist controlled American news media has been reduced to. Now in the new media (online media) we have all the opinionated nit-wits spreading bogus words of stupidity around as if they had some meaning. Your words without the facts and evidence to back it up is nothing more than graffiti. You have no creditability…….The words of Trotsky “fascism and bolshevism are twins” think about it.

Zooks, Welcome to the club!!! Now that we have all been identified as spies and traitors and in the words of our Republican speech pathologist friend (A Bushism if I ever saw one) we need to hold a meeting . Of course we need to invite all our Zionist / Jewish friends , for they may be able to tell us how to rid ourselves of this mindless troll who is obviously on to our enabling of the world takeover . Rousseau is in charge of refreshments, and everyone else will be required to bring a covered dish(Kosher of course)

Isn't it interesting that Anyone who does not jump on board with Zeb and share his tin foil hat immediately becomes his enemy and calls them openly by name?


Isn't there a psychological term for this?

"Nazi fuckwittery" works for me.

What does it matter if he's on to the ZOG? His country (and eventually all countries) are doomed to fall under our dominion. It's already too late to stop us, and still no one will believe him.