http://www.politicalcortex.com/story/2006/8/26/195425/883



The 9/11 Chronicles: Destroying a Crime Scene

By Bill Hare
08/26/2006 07:54:25 PM EST

One leading political light from 9/11 singled out by the mainstream media for supreme heroism was New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The effort has succeeded to the point where Guiliani is currently being boomed in many of these same media circles as a potential Republican presidential nominee for 2008.

Giuliani has made the media mainstream adulation blitz easier through his penchant of parading as an all-purpose, All-American nice guy, wearing his New York Fire Department cap with grassroots relish except for those occasions when he visits Yankee Stadium.

In those instances Giuliani switches to a Yankee cap and becomes one of the happy crowd as he enjoys the sport called America's favorite pastime and roots for the home team. When it comes to 9/11, the very crisis that prompted the Giuliani national boomlet, however, many questions remain unanswered. Some of the most disturbing questions arise from the discovery and subsequent comments of Scott Forbes, someone who should have become a household name had the mainstream media done its job properly and raised important questions that have been largely left begging.



Scott Forbes was an employee of Fiduciary Trust, a firm located on floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower of the World Trade Center. Forbes reported that over the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, floors 50 and above of the South Tower experienced a power down, meaning that all electrical currents were shut off for about 36 hours.

The officially stated reason was that the electrical cables in the building were being upgraded.

In that Forbes functioned as a senior database administrator in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer division, he was entrusted to shut down the company's computers before the shut down occurred. After the power down he had to turn the computers back on and restore service to the network.

Because there was no electric power above the fiftieth floor there were also no security cameras or security locks. There were many outside engineering personnel, however, coming and going in and out of the tower all weekend.

Forbes lived near the World Trade Center in Jersey City. When he viewed the conflagration of 9/11 from his home he immediately related it to the events of the previous weekend. Anyone seeking further information concerning Forbes and his observations can do so on the Web at www.serendipity.li/wot/forb es01.htm).

Giuliani looms large in the period following the conflagrations. Prior to carefully cultivating an image of someone above and beyond contemporary politics and a larger than life American cult hero, Guiliani served in the Justice Department during the Reagan years.

To tamper with a crime scene is a felony. Whenever an act of arson occurs police representatives would be expected to arrive to quickly service and seal off the area. As anyone schooled in criminal justice realizes, it is imperative to preserve crime scenes intact to assist further investigation and potential criminal prosecution.

In the case of 9/11, we had a series of explosions at the most famous symbol of American capitalism, the World Trade Center. So what was trained prosecutor Giuliani's response, the same Giuliani who was U.S. Attorney for the district embracing New York City, the nation's largest metropolis?

Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had completed the destruction of the Murtagh Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, disposing of all evidence in the process. The contract that was let just 11 days after 9/11 empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the World Trade Center.

As 9/11 official verdict critic Webster Tarpley noted, "Guiliani has not had a word to say about this in his memoirs. The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disappear fast."

The steel was transported quickly to China, ending any opportunity to run any tests in connection with ascertaining how the 9/11 explosions may have occurred.

Meanwhile a nifty political dodge occurred whereby Giuliani and loyal neocon spear carriers such as John Lehman, a 9/11 Commission member and a former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan, pursued a divide and conquer strategy by pitting police and fire department authorities against each other. The divide and conquer strategy was designed to get the Cheney-Bush Administration off the hook and prompt the citizenry to look elsewhere rather than follow the evidence. This side of the story will be examined in the next episode.

Thanks for the link to serendipity Max. For someone who doesn't believe in the "official story" this site is full of useful information.

A very small minority of Americans fully accept the Official Government Version of what happened 9/11/01.
The majority accept most of the official version, but also have several nagging, unanswered questions.
This is more than enough doubt to keep the entire question alive and active in the General Awareness of the American People.
If the small percentage of us conspiracy believers can manage to keep the information available and easy to find, eventually America well earn it's self a new investigation of what happened and what led to the events of 9/11/01.

Sky,

And yet, there is still a majority of people that heard Bush's cries, "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the eleventh; Malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves; away from the guilty" actually believe the "official version" of what happened. And BTW, that "official version" is, in and of itself, a conspiracy theory put together in an attempt to explain away how our Government got caught with their pants down.

19 hijacker? Seven of which have been found alive. That their ID was stolen.

The DoD obstructed justice in an attempt to cover up evidence from the "official" 9/11 Commission. What was there to hide?

That to this day, no one has been fingered as the culprit to the events of 9/11. Sure the pudgy, right handed, jewelry wearing dude said he did it, but somehow, even the CIA can't and hasn't confirmed the authenticity of the tape. Here, decide for yourself... http://911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml

VERSUS

And even to this day, OBL is not wanted for the 9/11 attacks. Sure, he's orchestrated other criminal and murderous acts of terrorism, but not 9/11.

And really, since when does a property owner direct first responders on how to fight a blaze burning in a building. Larry Silverstein has actually attempted to clean things up from his original admission. "Pull it" is now to mean instructions to the Fire Chief to not fight the fire, to "pull away" from the building; To let "IT" burn. WHA WHAA WHAAA??? Now that's original.

So, the crime has not been solved, YET the debris that could be used to piece the scene together has all but been discarded. Giuliani accepted the bid price, himself. WHY?

Wonderful study...

I have been a believer in the 9/11 coverup for a while now, but I still have one burning question....

Why? Why would the government go through all this? Was it to destroy evidence hidden in one of the WTC's? Was it so Junior could have an excuse to get more oil and get into Iraq to finish the job his daddy couldnt do? Why?

Max,


I am not disagreeing with you, except any possible view that says most americans are 100% happy with the official story.

Yes, people have heard Bush's words, and many of us reallyhoped he would do what he said, only to be very dissapointed, though for some of us that dissappontment was expected. Others came down from Mt Bush much more dissilusioned.


I believe that a vast Majority of Americans believe the events of 9/11 still need to be fully investigated. I believe most Americans understand that their are unanswered questions, and EVEN IF they accept the official version, only a full investigation, or investigations will once and for all put the conspiracy theorists to rest.

Personally? As I have said. I am a skeptic. But even as a skeptic, am convinced there is much that has not been said. I personally believe maybe 25% of all the conspiracy theories I have seen are actually possible, or that they ask very troubling questions.

However, again my point brings me back to the UFO analogy. If only 1 conspiracy claim turns out to be real and credible, just as if only one real live UFO were to land on the white house lawn, that's enough to change the world as we know it.





Daniel Atticus

Welcome to the POAC/WRS

It really all depends on what group of people you are referring to. The mindless majority will take whatever the Mass Media and White House will give them, but the smarter minority questions the events.

I still think its a majority that believes the Official Story word for word, but only because they dont look into it for their own and do their own research into the matter. Instead they just sit on their Laz-E-Boys and watching Fox News, accepting whatever they tell them, which 99.9% of the time comes from a completely Conservative perspective and are unwilling to accept anything else.

And about the UFO's, if one did land on the White House lawn, they would immediatly say it was a weather balloon and the majority would accept it.

P.s. Thanks for the welcome, Finch is my hero.

I don't agree with any statement that assumes most people are stupid. In fact, I personally can't think of a single stupid person. (I can think of some though that do stupid things) Fact is, generally, people tend to be pretty smart. That doesn't mean WE can't be snookered.

C'mon, start by assuming people are smart and not lazy, THEN search for the cause and solution.
You'll get farther with a correct mind set.

I suppose your right about the right mind set, but you have to understand that I go off personal experience and from what I have seen, and that is that most people will take whatever the Mass Media gives them. I do admit that however in recent years, the majority has become somewhat more intellegent, but the upcoming generation isnt....They arent at all. In coming years it will be MUCH easier for the government to pull the wool over the peoples eyes. Hopefully these people will open their eyes though, and chances are they will, especially if sites like these continue to flourish, and new ideas are introduced, instead of what the Media shells out.

But I think we have gotten far from the original point of this topic...

Threads quite often wander, but as long as it's constructive, the Mods don't generally mind too much.
The idea of "Sheeple" being generally stupid just doesn't sit well with me.
I know many people who do not agree with my political view, or my personal life view, etc etc, but I still consider them very intelligent and energetic, when it's about issues of importance to them. And though I agree more people ought to be concerned about the political situation, if they are not, though I believe this to be a stupid action on their part, this doesn't make them stupid.

In fact very few human beings are actually stupid, or more accurately, unintelligent. The reality is that few share common ground with respect to values and personal interests. This is where mind set comes into play. If we realize that in fact they are smart, but mistaken about their personal values, then WE are smarter and can realize that to accuse them of being stupid is counter productive. When in fact, what we need to do is to show them so they can see it for them selves, just what it is that we think is so god damned important.

If you can't educate anyone that does not wish to be educated,
then provide the information so that other wise smart people can choose on their own to educate them selves!

I agree that people need to be educated, but most of them are so stubburn and ignorant that they listen to anything else from "The Left".

Let me use my father and mines relationship as an example. He is a 60 year old Conservative, and has been for all his life. Whenever I try to have a civil debate with him (usually trying to convince him of the fact that the entire Islamic religion isnt out to get us) it turns into a one sided shouting match. Then again this comes from him being southern conservative who listens to only conservative news and radio shows and only talks to conservative people. Yet, this goes back to you saying that you cant educate people who dont want to be be educated, some people wont even accept the overwhelming information.

YOU are not going to educate your father. Trust me, I once had one too! I know these things.
So, why are you trying? If you already know it's pointless to try, why do you continue? (the answer is important, but that's a whole nother topic)
And just because your father doesn't agree with you, this doesn't mean he's stupid! I mean hell. He might just be thinkin yer not to bright, for a smart kid that is.

This is what I would do if I were in your shoes.
I'd figure out where my dads interest were. Just what is it that floats his boat!?
Lets say he's a military nut job. So then I'd find news stories, magazines, pictures and books, that laid out exactly how this government is fucking the military over in so many ways, and then just leave that stuff laying around for him to discover on his own. Not too much. You don't want mountains of material, or he'l get wise and won't touch it cept to shit can the whole mess. Yer trying to sneak in UNDER his radar. Once he's grasped that Bushco's shit DOES stink, he'll be much more likely to want to talk about it. For this to happen though, your dad really does have to be as smart as I suspect he really is.

Just remember. He's yer dad, which means he's smarter, wiser and much more experienced than you are. This means you have to be VERY smart if yer gonna get UNDER HIS radar. But, yer his kid, and you can do it. You just gotta figure out how.


People are all the same. We're all stubborn in varying degrees. Don't force feed information on anyone. They will NOT hear it. Instead, you have to figure out how to make them WANT to learn this stuff. It sucks that ya can't do it the easy way, but that's life!



One word of caution.

Be careful that in the process of figuring out how to teach things to people that do not want to learn. Because in the doing comes the knowing, which means you might accidentally learn shit yourself!

Im not saying that people are stupid, Im just saying they dont use common sense....half the time, and despite from the wording you chose to use, not everyone in the South says "yer" all the time...

Regardless, the point is I have proven this man wrong on EVERY subject we have EVER debated on, I have presented him with overwhelming evidence contrary to what he believes. Yet, he still wont even consider seriously looking into the facts.

Why do I argue? Because like you said, everyones stubborn...Especially me

Did I say it was a "southern thang?" Yer assuming! You don't really know why I do that.




Again I say it, you can't teach anyone that does not want to learn. He's not trying to teach you, is he?
So who is smarter, you or him?




Well then, if ya dig it, whatchu bitchin bout it for?

The thing is, he IS trying to teach me...Hes trying to drill his conservative propaganda into my head...And I fight back...I think its just more of a matter of we both know we are right and arent willing to budge...Going back to stubberness.

Haha, I suppose your right...I just bitch for the sake of bitching...

And sorry about being so harsh about the Southern thing, its just I usually get alot of heat because Im from the South.

Hey man, y'all gotta do yer thang, it's cool by me!
The south is hip. Country is hip. Where ever it is that you call home, that's an important place.
And I'm all good!



Atticus Finch eh?

Not bad, not bad at all!

Major deviation from the topic but...The South nor Country is hip...They are both very lame and I hate them both very much

That's you opinion, which you are welcome too.
Mine, happens to be quite different.

Hi Daniel
Yes, there are far more questions than there are answers for.
America and the world deserve answers, NO?

Sky,
I didn't mean to say a VAST majority of the people have accepted the "official" bedtime story told to them by big brother, just that a vast majority can't be bothered with the fate of questioning their Government. After all, good patriots in this Pax Americana don't question authority, NO?

Well if you like the South...I guess thats ok...Its nice except for the humidity and the lack of grammar.

Anyways, shall we return to the original idea? I still ask why would the government go through such a huge ordeal to destroy evidence that would help to settle the mystery of why 3 thousand innocent American had to die? Or did they do it because they knew the evidence would show who the real criminals were?

Here's my brief take on it all:

The Administration held a secret deal with the Zionist State of Israel to use the cover of Islamic radicals to gain control and power of the Middle East.

For Israel, the win is a greater dominance through world sympathies and US/Britain arms/military deals. This would ensure that the continued oppressive state for the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Iranians(fingers crossed), Egypt and Saudi Arabia taking notice choose to not engage with any M.E. Nation and opt for isolationism.

For America/Great Britain the gain is dominance over a radical sect that once was the brain child of the CIA/MI-5. The conveniently groomed Ali turned enemy serves as the figure that which our presence in the M.E. becomes the focus while the slight of hand is in the rebuilding projects that will establish our strangle hold over the Nations that house the worlds largest oil deposits. In turn, these Governments and their people will be allowed to produce their own form of products that earn them the greatest revenue, other than through their natural resources.

Take Afghanistan, for example. 2004, 2005, and now 2006 have successfully provided the people and their government the largest opium poppy harvests ever. What was once illegal under the Taliban, under US control the harvest's have become the worlds largest ever. Damn, the USA is good fighting this war on drugs, NO?

No we are not. As a result, this war on drugs(fought here on our soil) results in some of the largest arrest and sentences to the prison system America and the world has ever seen. But this is good for America's image at home because the average Joe sees the war on drugs as a necessary step to keep his neighborhood safe and clean. Little does he care what steps our Government is taking to stop the chain of events before it lands in his hood.

And still, the Government profits from fighting this war on drugs on the home front. Imagine how many DEA and police are employed. The bureaucracy is filled with unnecessary positions that would be vacated IF American foreign policy actually stood against the drug cartel. But to not employ the vast DEA and police, who's sole function is to focus on the drug trade here in America, will make the policy of fighting crime driven drug activity as a non important issue to the average Joe. And like I said, the average Joe cares about his hood before he cares about anybody else's.

Now, having said all that, remember that like a magician, slight of hand is important. This cover in Iraq isn't about terrorists. They weren't there UNTIL we showed up on the scene. And this isn't about Saddam either. Sure he was a brutal dictator that murdered thousands of his own people. But the invasion of Iraq wasn't based on an injunction from and by the United Nations to bring Saddam to justice based on the crimes against his people, the reasons the US went into Iraq were based on LIES. That's the cover. What we're not supposed to see is our foundation of permanent military bases where there were none nor ever could have been in the Islamic world. The military bases are the slight of hand that grips the rest of the M.E. with a strangle hold of fear and intimidation while providing the oil companies of the West the necessary protection and cover to rape a foreign Nation of their natural resources. Iraq, once the worlds largest producer of crude oil, now is importing crude. Think of the profits the CEO's of big oil get.

So did Bush know the time, place, day?

I doubt it. But I do know, from the behaviors of the Secret Service, that they were briefed on the events of 9/11 prior to the actual attacks. Other wise, their reaction to the security OF the President would have been far more responsive than a sleeping dog.

Hello Daniel Atticus, welcome !
It's worth thinking about the effects just after the Triple Towers fell, Bush went from being the most unpopular president elected (sic) by the smallest percentage of voter turnout in US history, to some kind of heroic warrior-figure standing "Captain America" like over the smoking ruins and vowing all kinds of neat vengence on the "Enemies of Freedom" and other such shit.
Then there was the increase beyond all belief of military spending. (And a stunning silence from Congress..) I've seen figures of over 70% increase in the DoD budget to combat "terra". Now, whose pockets do you think all that cash went into ? See any positive results of the "War Against Terra" lately ? See any decrease in people the World over who "Hate your Freedoms"...? And speaking of Freedom, the Patriot (hah !!) Act slides out of nowhere, fully formed, and sibillantly slips into place without many questions being asked at all, as if depriving US citizens of their rights is going to help in the WAT, but it sure helps put away any "unpatriotic" people who ask embarrassing questions about cronyism and misuse of government funds...and it makes it just so much easier to finally get rid of the "Damn piece of Paper !"
Then there is the problem of how the WTC owner was going to have to pay out a fortune to have the asbestos removed from his freshly acquired and freshly insured buildings, when, lo and behold, a "Terrorist" attack blows the buildings into fine dust. "Yoouppie...er, oops, terrible tragedy, ma heartfelt condoleances to the victims.." as he slides off to the bank counting his millions.
Then there is the insider trading leading up to the attack, never been fully investigated, and thats before even beginning to look at how the WHOLE American NORAD defence system failed totally and comprehensively to prevent a predictable and indeed anticipated event from happening.

Any evidence showing that cutter and thermite charges were used in the controlled demolition of the towers, and that the buildings could not physically have collapsed by having airliners flown into them and a few minutes of oxygen starved kerosene fire burning, would start bringing out so many unanswerable and unanswered questions that the entire PNAC manipulated government would fall, and the real culprits may just be found lurking below....

"Bring it on !" I say !! It'll be the anniversary of 9/11 in a few days time, now is the hour to bring out the truth, to find the real culprits who commited the biggest act of mass murder on US soil, and are responsable directly and indirectly for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, the creation of a state of Global War, and the hijacking of the Worlds Greatest Nation. "Project for a New American Century", hell yeah ! They can all have copies to wipe their asses with in the slammer !

Why (WTC)? Google PNAC and read their "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Then look at their members, both charter and more recent, and see where they are now in US and world government. Why, infuckindeed!

This is exactly the theory that I have been talking about. The whole thing was orchestrated as a ploy to get into the Middle East. Ive had people ask "If they wanted to make a ploy why didnt they blow something else up, like what happend to the USS Cole." Well thats because only a horrible tragedy that took thousands of lives would justify a full ground scale invasion.


This brings to mind something I read in the paper the other day. It was about several DEA agents in my area caught reselling the drugs they caught onto the streets, and making quiet a good sum of money. Guess Fed jobs dont pay that well, huh?


And why do the terrorist REALLY hate us? Not because of our freedoms, not because of how we treat our women, not because we are fat, lazy bastards (Ok that might be a reason), its because we are marching our troops across their Holy Lands. How would the Catholics feel if armys started firing on the Vatican, how would the Jews feel if armys started tearing down The Wall? Its the same thing



I think your right about this, but I think it goes farther back. I think the 9/11 events have been planned since Daddy Bush's days in office, kind of like a final plan. Something to fall back on should things get to bad or just as a good excuse to get into the Middle East when the time was right. Its also interesting to see who was over the CIA at the time when they started training alot of Middle Easterns to fight the Soviets.

The human mind is a pretty amazing machine. Organic machine.
Among all the other aspects that we all know and expect, it also has the ability to connect the dots.
Even when the connections are incorrect, the mind will make the connections anyway.

Example.


Ever put together a jigsaw puzzle without looking at the picture of what it's sposed to look like?
Long before the puzzle is finished the mind will "figure it out", even though odds are it's mistaken.
Continue to add pieces and the mind may come up with another, mistaken conclusion until eventually it gets it correct.

This is just one of the tools evolution has given us that has helped us to survive.
Unfortunately it also means we're prone to seeing conspiracy where there is none.
The fact that we keep adding pieces and eventually see the correct picture, reaffirms our belief in conspiracy.

Was that your roundabout way of saying you dont believe in the 9/11 conspiracy or that we are just making some stuff up to justify our cause?

I think its a roundabout way of saying that there is a perfectly logical way of explaining all these unusual co-incidences and suspensions of the laws of Physics and Reality on that day, that curiously happened exactly as if the PNAC "meisterplan" brainstormers and a bad Hollywood script-writer had gotten together over a bottle (or bottles...) of Jack Daniels and laid out "The Plan" for Global Domination by America...

All that seems to be lacking is the independent and in-depth investigation of 9/11 and it's global implications, and most importantly the implication of senior members of the American administration and their associates, their financial transactions and insider trading up to, during and after the attack, defence contract payouts and so many kick-backs and palm greasing that you would need to chop down a forest for the paper of the report, and build some pretty big jails to hold all the perps who were complicite with the event....

Oh, there was a report ? Strange, it seemed to have a LOT of missing data, odd ommisions and some curious findings, and a strange lack of "Independence" and "Impartiality"....

It would be a bit like Herr Olmert getting the ex-chief of the Mossad to do an in-depth critical report into the eventual government failures and incompetences in its nastly little war in The Lebanon..........oh, he did ??

Doh !

Daniel, for further information regarding 9/11, I would recommend Webster Tarpley's 911 Synthetic Terrorism, Made in USA. I wouldn't say it's 100% accurate but it does ask, and answer, some interesting questions. Here is the link to the book online.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/317436.pdf

Thanks, Ive been using http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html for most of my information. Their pretty good, but I think one or two of the theories they discuss there might be a little far out, like there never being a flight 93.

This is where I go mainly for 9/11 info http://www.911blogger.com/ and http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

Exactly right! Keep building the Bush retirement fund and the forward movement of his agenda,no matter what the cost. (see carlyle group)

Kevin

Perhaps this link from the headlines a few days ago will help explain why:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger100.html

Its all about money , power and control.