I STILL wanna know what's for dinner?

This is Tj, BTW, Not my wife, Ronnie. She's just still logged in and i'm not....

Cath wanted Scorp banned. I wouldn't. Was pissed. Amanda was freaked out that I allowed the military conservatives post here. I did. Was pissed. They joined forces and became an evil mech-monster intent on destroying my Tokyo. OK, I exagerated that thing about my Tokyo, but you get the idea.

Basically, you are pretty much right. But it was me allowing the military/conservo-dudes that pushed Lefty to the Cath corner.

Nachos and guacamole so's I can watch the soap opera.

You said were having Tai Ping!

Ummmm, let's see...Tokyo? Scorp was posting from Tokyo, or thereabouts. And now here you are posting in drag...your Tokyo...I think I've got it. You are really your wife, there is no husband and you have been posing as a Japo-Canadian communist in order to undermine America. Ummm, or something like that. Were you ever in the army? Are you like that nice Norman Bates, who used to dress up in his grammas clothes and kill people?

Groooaaaaaan.

Damn Zooks is Brilliant!

Clearly he's not Presidential material?

Oh, I'm so confused!

*busted*

Stuffed zuccinni! And You? (sorry if there was a typo...can't spell at all)

Couple of Tuna fish Tortia rolls with lotsa tomaters and baked beans

no seriously... no joking. TJ is busy in the kitchen cooking stuffed zuccinni made with our homemade spagetti sauce (from Monday with our homegrown tomatoes) hmmm hmmmm I am a spoiled wife...

Ohhhh and drug by my big ol' titties after some jim beam... cause we're Irish!

And sky.. need to cook more!

ooops... just noticed I used TJ's account... sorry folks!!!!

AKA Ronnie

Oh, jeez, they're both transpostites. Where's them damn sojers when ya need 'em?

Good garsh, but don't they sound married????



Ronnie. I cook some. But I'm only feeding me. Nothing wrong with a tuni fish sammich once in a while.
Generall, during work days cooking is minimal.


And by the way, tittie dragging doesn't really sound that much fun.
I spose it's a mid west thing.

Hell, evidently so are TJ and I..... We are in the middle of canning our tomatoes, making stuffed zuccinni and on the forum.... not looking to see who is logged in or not.

Sorry Gadzooks... no drag's here... just two thirty somethings... sharing all!

Pssst, yer both on!


Yeah, i remember being 30 something. Fortunately I survived it!

Hell it's much better than 20 something! and I survived that! O.K. ... barely!

And thanks for the compliment:

Holy sheeeeit....so many flames, Ill do er one at a time.

First, Yank...your right to cuss me is earned so allow me to say some things. .....just some stuff I feel.

I was a soldier and this year I attended 3 more funerals (so far) of young men I knew or knew about. I watched a 2 year old boy trying to open a casket so he could see his father who was killed in IRAQ. He just couldnt figure out why Daddy wouldnt come out when he was told his Daddy was in there. In the past 30 years I have hugged mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, and children of men who died in the service. To a degree...I guess one becomes numb to some of that. It is a sort of detachment...most men have it and only have to use it for close family members in a lifetime if their lucky. Each time though, the scars get deeper, and the questions get bigger. Why does it have to be like this? And then my all time favorite when I was thanked for "defending my country" and I was thinking..."no, I wasn't defending my country....I was defending Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or being part of some overthrow of some puss nutted dictator who didnt, in the grand scheme of things....mean shit to me or this country. Yes, I was a soldier and contrary to what Zooks alluded to...I was quite excellent at what I did and he is correct....I had no political agenda nor did I give a rats ass about politics...I had a trade and applied it with malice. No matter though because, Yank...I dont regret ONE minute of what I did as a soldier. But imaagine going 200 mph for years and then...damned near stopping and being let off the train. You look around and say..."so, what now?" I smelled some flowers, I watched the news, I GOT A FUCKING JOB (for you Zooks) and I started paying attention. The boys I knew who died....I loved em everyone. The ones who died as Rangers and I didnt know...I loved em like they were my best friends. And yes, Yank...I do want them home from IRAQ and I do think IRAQ was a huge mistake. But allow the fact that I have to say...a soldier who spends time there, see's his friends die there, invests blood and sweat, emotional destruction all to help out a country...and it matters not which one....damned if I wouldnt like to see it work. If I was there ...damned if wouldnt want to see some fruit from the efforts we have put forth. Fuck the political issues.....I (or any soldier worth a damn) would say...I want this job DONE! Thrown into a fight, fucked up for life....I gotta see some results. It may not agree with you, Ma'm....but thats how I see it. I would also say, you should be glad soldiers have that frame of mind and sad they are led by a political machine that has not a fucking CLUE how to make that happen.

Now to the rest who passed judgement on me good or bad....Im OK with that. Bad on me. Some call it deceptive, some related to me being here as shit in the pants that needs changing. But think about it....did I come here and pretend to be one of you? Did I whole heartedly agree with all you say? And did I throw anything in your face, hurl insults, or dog cuss your beliefs? Did I read this "BUSTED" thing and just run off? Yep, I said what I said on that forum but if you look at it, I came here stated what I was and why I was here. And exactly HOW MANY would follow ANYONE to a mass suicide anyhow? (Besides Jim Jones) This is a web site. If I was all you would believe me to me someone explain to me....to what end? What am I going to do with it? Tell the Government. Your on a web site...public website. Agenda? What COULD my agenda be? Military Industrial Complex???? Even with my background I can't even give a solid answer to..."what IS The Military Industrial Complex. A bunch of companies who build weapons and tanks, bombs and toys....so? Even if I was one of those....what could I possibly do to YOU?

Open your mind a for one second and look at what I have said while here. If you find evidence that I am untrustworthy, evil, deceptive...BAN ME! Look, put er to a vote, if you think Im a bad guy...ditch me. I won't cuss, bitch, moan, groan, or say bad things of you. Ill take whatever comes and I believe enough in the democratic process that, majority rules and no electorate.

One last thing. From each of you I have learned things I did not know, would not have learned, and did not even suspect because it just didnt dawn on me that some of these things could be true. I do NOT believe everything I read. I do NOT pass judgement on half stories, half truths, and half wit journalism...but I do listen and I do remember the pieces. Eventually a picture of truth forms and even right wingers stop and scratch themselves while they are dragging their wimin folks about force feedin em liquor and say..."what the fuck is George DOIN"?

Do what you have to do. Ill stay until Im run off. I like learning. I wont take crap off of people just because you think you were wronged cause in fact, you werent. The site I belong to is a site of current, former, and hope to be Rangers. Right wing to be sure. Neaderthal?..absolutely. Crude, rude, and socially unacceptable to a man. They are what most do not want and can not be. I love every damned one of em. I have a deeper and closer bond with those boys than I did my own Mother and Father. You would not be welcomed there for sure. So...I came here. I have been on my best behavior and will continue to be. I will not nod my head and agree when I dont. I won't accept everything as fact that isnt. But...I will learn, I have learned, and I will be as I have been. Anyone wants any other info, ask.

That's a good rant Abell. A very good rant!
Even if I disagree, I want people who can communicate like this around me.

Abell. I was one who got his tail feathers ruffled, and certainlyyou must understand why this happened.
Right or wrong, it is what it is. I make no appology any more than you do.
I think the Mods have no intention of banning you, or they would have and we'd still have the other 4, ok 3.
Personally, I'd prefer you over them any time, because you deceived me, they have deceived them selves.
And how can I expect the truth from someone that doesn't even know what the truth is?


Abell,

Go ahead and sit down. No one here is about to push you away. Not even Zooks! Consider where you've been, and where the rest of us might have been, and then allow is all to be human.

We'll give you some time, if you do the same for us. And don't worry, Zooks is watching the door.



Again, nice rant! Wish I could express myself that well.

Good? Hell, it was a great rant. My 2 cents? "Get a fucking job" is what I was told when I got out. There weren't any. Not that I was qualified for. I did get a visit from an old friend who had traded in his uniform for a suit, and was looking for instructors willing to relocate to Lybia. I passed on it. I used it rhetorically and it worked. The shitpants remark was for someone elses benefit, not yours. And my remark about being a good soldier...was passed in "If the shoe fits...". Up to you. If you earned your wings and tab, which I do not question, then I would gladly stroll through the gates of hell with you. But this isn't even hell's neighborhood. It's a liberal discussion board, and you came here to burn. What I said about soldiering holds true for me today just as much as it did 35+ years ago. And if you are one, you know it. You didn't think I was gonna roll over, now, didja?

I guess i know someone who i can't trust.

O M G

FIVE FRIGGIN' PAGES OF FLAME.

All burnin' luv for Abell9.



OMG

If I could be so lucky to get so much attention.



Yawn

Abell9, you're ok as long as you're a straight arrow.



Oh, and that industrial military complex...

See, it's inherently EVIL.

I requires war, either ours or the sales to other's so that the industrial sector can keep pumping out those bombs and tanks.

I mean, without a way to use them up, the stockpile would become ridiculous, RIDICULOUSLY HUGE.

And then, like a car lot filled with cars not moving, jobs gotta get cut.

BUT...

If you can use 'em up, well...

then everyone is happy, NO???

NO!!!!!

Not those killed by those bombs and tanks. They can't feel anything.

NOT HAPPY, NOR SAD.

NOR THE TOUCH OF THEIR LOVED ONES

OR THE FOOD FILLING THEIR BELLIES.

All feeling nothing so another bomb can be used up so as to make another one to kill some more with.

PURE EVIL.

Sorry, Zooks, you are our hero now... it is a burden, I realize that ... Thanks for saving us from "Abell" . Maybe we should call him CAIN now!

No, I didnt come here to burn but Ive been flamed before...Ill be fine. Rollover? Not if your worth a damn you won't.

Well, what can I say? I had to jet yesterday just as things began to get hot. I just read the thread in it's entirety, and thought about it.

Abell9 has already pretty much spoken for me. I was thinking, what can I say? What should I say? How do I get out of this? And in the final analysis, I came to the conclusion that I don't have any explaining to do. I don't owe anyone an explanation, but I'll try out of respect for POAC.

What kind of big discovery is this? Abell9 is a retired Ranger, and I'm a retired Scout. Neither one of us came here under false pretense did we? We have been ever respectful, polite and professional, despite being flamed and attacked, we never hit back. POAC has been true in the TOU and spirit of this board, and I'm thankful for that.

The typical combat Soldier is hard, out of necssity. His profession requires it, zooks knows this as well as Abell9 and I do. I too, have stood at attention as taps was blown by a lone Soldier on top of a hill, dozens of times, with a flag draped coffin in front of me, I lead the detail in folding that flag, and I had to hand it to a stoic, quietly weeping young widow, with tears streaming down my eyes. Soldiers aren't wanton killers, and in Iraq, we realize we are fighting less for our freedoms then we are for the Iraqi people, but most of all, we are fighting for each other, our brothers at arms. Hurled into a life or death situation, it's what you must do, we don't necessarily like it, and we don't necessarily agree with it, but we are Soldiers.

I admit, when I first came here I had a smirk on my face. I wonderd what kind of liberal drivel I would see. I have already said it, I've been impressed by most of you. You aren't typical Democrats, your something else and I'm still trying to understand what that means. Slowly, my opinion about some of you here began to soften and still some of you have acted like the stereotypical lunatic leftist but most of those left just becasue a couple of old Soldiers showed up and you let them stay. Some things you say makes sense, and some of it is off the wall to me, we'll never agree on certain issues but that is where we must decide will we try to find common ground or will we go our separate ways and solve nothing? Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't. But, I submit to you that this board is an experiment, can we get along? Can we find some common ground or are we going to judge one another? Will we be more content to hurl epithets and walk away from the conversation smugly, thinking we've won somekind of victory? People evolve, people can influence each other and I see evidence of that that goes both ways over the past couple of weeks and I think its a good thing.

I don't know what else to say, I see an opportunity here that can go either way. POAC has a worthy vision for this board, it isn't your typical liberal board or your typical conservative board (how that for a blast of the obvious)? But my point is, this board is different, certainly it is a liberal board and I feel fortunate for being allowed to participate. I hope that continues to be the case. But if POAC feels I should be banned, I to will accept that without a whimper. I've been through far worse.

Lame.

Cap'n, Abell, and everybody else,

What's done is done, and we need to be past discussing if even anything WAS done.

Abell, and Cap'n are NOT gonna be banned, not yet anyway, not for anything thus far on the forum.
The rest of us might just as well settle down and get used to it.

Abell and Cap'n have things to teach us, and they have much to learn, so far they've done great on both counts. I have to admit, I don't like some of the things they have said on other forums, but that was there, and not here.

We all need to back up two or three paces and NOT make this a personal issue.
We need to be OPEN MINDED liberals, the kind we have told them we are.

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer?
I can top that!
Turn your enemy into a friend, and the problem is solved!


5 pages is quite enough dontchu think?



Re-Welcome to the POAC/WRS Cap'n and Abell.
It seems yer good at walkin through fire, how are you at making peace?

I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, or neither. I sure miss some who've left. I do have one impartial observation: I'm probably the least computer literate poster here, but even I know how easy it is to search a user name. If I went to another forum with the intent to be deceptive, I'd sure not use Soon2b for a moniker.

Sky is right, 5 pages is kinda long winded. Anyone object to me closing this?

My thread. It's done. Lock it, but please leave it up. Thanks.

you got it.