| QUOTE (Rationality @ Tuesday, 11 January 2005, 10:33 pm) |
| Well, we're getting to that time. Anyone has a preference (I can guess but I won't)? |
| QUOTE (POAC @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 11:59 am) |
| lets just get it over with and have Zell Miller |
| QUOTE (AntiFlagWaver @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 10:49 am) |
| DEAN! Someone not afraid to tell it like it is, unlike 99% of the current Democractic party leadership who compromise away their values (and ours). The mistake Kerry and the Democrats made in the 2004 election was to try to please everyone. In trying to please everyone, they pleased no one. They came off as two-faced, and having no real stand on the issues. Indeed, Kerry morphed into whatever he perceived his audience expected him to be at the time. Thats not gonna work. As much as we detest Bush, at least he has a position on things (although an idiotic one), and does not waver (even when common sense begs for a reality-check). We know who he is. I don't think ANYONE really knew who Kerry was. Thats why Kerry lost. Smiling and telling everyone what they want to hear will not work. I hope the Democrats learn a hard lesson from 2004, which is: Take a stand for the values you represent and be consistent, even if it is risky to do so. We know Republican "Values". What about some Democratic values??? What is worse than losing because you stood up for what you believe is right? Losing because you did not stand up for what is right. |
| QUOTE (Rakshasa @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 10:38 am) |
| That would be funny if it wasn't so true. I would take Dean, Kucinich, or Clark any day over the other batch. We don't need a DINO in there. |
| QUOTE (Rationality @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 6:49 pm) |
| JackD, this is what the DU is doing so far... |
| QUOTE (sarasotarepub @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 7:00 pm) |
| Please let it be Dean!! I really love winning all the time! |
| QUOTE (sarasotarepub @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 7:00 pm) |
| Please let it be Dean!! I really love winning all the time! ![]() |
| QUOTE (sarasotarepub @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 7:00 pm) |
| Please let it be Dean!! I really love winning all the time! |
| QUOTE (Rationality @ Wednesday, 12 January 2005, 7:08 pm) | ||
It must trouble you knowing we could get a spine again. |
| QUOTE (sarasotarepub @ Thursday, 13 January 2005, 6:32 pm) |
| Hee,hee! Snort! Go more Left, and let your hero Dean lead you to defeat...again. Gawd, gator and I won't even have to fix the voting machines!!! |
| QUOTE (sarasotarepub @ Thursday, 13 January 2005, 6:32 pm) |
| Hee,hee! Snort! Go more Left, and let your hero Dean lead you to defeat...again. Gawd, gator and I won't even have to fix the voting machines!!! |
| QUOTE (Rationality @ Friday, 14 January 2005, 6:04 am) | ||
It isn't about moving left or right you schmuck, we merely propose doing what you have done since 2000 with stunning success: establish a unique, viable agenda and stick to it without rolling over in the name of bipartisanship. |
| QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Friday, 14 January 2005, 8:37 am) | ||||
You bet, hey maybe will do a little slash and burning ourselves for a change... doc |
| QUOTE (JackD @ Friday, 28 January 2005, 4:33 pm) |
| More good news on the DNC/Dean front. Clinton Aide, Ickes, has endorsed dean. Story |
| QUOTE (fons_castaliae @ Monday, 31 January 2005, 7:20 am) |
| The main thing I want a new DNC chairman to do is repudiate the ideology of empire totally. In fact, I want the entire Democratic party to be composed of individuals who repudiate empire. I want the isolationist issue to come back to the fore like it needs to be. No more arguments against it. I want American combat boots off foreign soil, period. I want respect for the UN and compliance with it. & I also want the US to support the ICC as it was when it began. No deals, no backroom screwing, please. And once we've repudiated the ideology of empire, let's force the members of the Bush Regime, everyone supporting them in the media, all signatories of the PNAC, and religious leaders who've taken on the military mantle to face war crimes trials. I've been writing e-mails to the prosecutors at the ICC once every quarter to complain about the criminals in our midst. It's not a bad way to pass an afternoon off. |
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| "It's time that America stood tall again as the real superpower that we are; time that we led the world on dealing with these terrible threats and building a durable peace instead of just hanging back and letting others show the way." Reid's assessment of Bush's foreign policy represented some of the most biting remarks by a senior Democratic leader since the president won re-election last November. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) frequently criticized the president's handling of the war on terror and of conducting an arrogant foreign policy. Election-day interviews with voters indicated the public preferred Bush's leadership, but more recent surveys taken before Sunday's Iraqi elections show a decline in support for the war. |
| QUOTE (fons_castaliae @ Monday, 31 January 2005, 1:33 pm) | ||
from the story:
The quotation at the top is ostensible from Reid. It is not a repudiation of the ideology of empire at all. So I am unsatisfied. John Kerry, we are told, criticized the president's "handling of the war on terror" but not once did he link it to corporate corruption, the PNAC, or the ideology of empire. The only insightful thing he said as far as I'm concerned was when he called the resident's rhetoric "Orwellian." Now, if he'd made that one of the base assertions of his campaign, I'd have supported him with more enthusiasm. My impression was that things would not really change at all, unless Kerry betrayed the elite from which he came. This implies a question I don't think we'll ever answer. We hear that the public prefers Bush leadership (yeah right), but time is passing and the neocons must find more lines of manipulation, more avenues for indignation in the public, lest the people look at the newly-dug graves, think about the repression of the press at Dover and Walter Reed, and decide that the damn slaughter isn't worth another 80 billion dollars. |
| QUOTE (JackD @ Monday, 31 January 2005, 6:03 pm) |
| Another dean endosement, a big one. The leading group of state Democratic Party officials today backed Howard Dean's bid for the party's national chairmanship, establishing the former presidential candidate as the contest's prohibitive favorite. "I think the race is over," Art Torres, chairman of the California Democratic Party, said after the decision. The Association of State Democratic Chairs endorsed Dean in a vote in a nationwide conference call this morning. That decision by the group's full membership reversed a recommendation from its executive committee Sunday to endorse Donnie Fowler, a young party strategist. Fowler finished a distant second to Dean in the membership vote, according to sources familiar with the call. "This is an important step in our campaign, but we will not stop working until the vote is cast," Dean said in a statement released by the association. Dean received another boost after the vote when former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, the sole African American who had been seeking to head the Democratic National Committee, withdrew and endorsed him. Five others remain in the race. The DNC's 447 members meet in Washington Feb. 12 to pick their new leader. To win, a candidate needs a majority of the votes cast. Dean's opponents had been hoping the state chairs group would back another contender for the DNC post, perhaps triggering endorsements from elected officials and members of organized labor uneasy about the prospect of the former Vermont governor succeeding Chairman Terry McAuliffe.Although viewed as a moderate in Vermont, Dean became linked with the party's liberal wing during his party's 2004 presidential nomination because of his strong opposition to the war in Iraq. His candidacy also was marked by a blunt, outspoken style. But Democratic insiders said the state chairs' decision probably reduced the odds that the AFL-CIO political committee will endorse a candidate in the race when it meets in Washington on Tuesday.Former Rep. Martin Frost of Texas has been considered the most likely to receive the AFL nod, if it chooses to endorse. Today's vote could increase pressure on some of the remaining DNC candidates to quit the race and push for a single alternative to Dean. "What this means is if folks who aren't for Dean don't coalesce behind a credible alternative, then he'll win," said an aide to one of his rivals. "But we still have to play that out for a couple of days." On Sunday, the state chairs' executive committee voted 8 to 6 to recommend an endorsement for Fowler, who served as Al Gore's field director in the 2000 presidential campaign. But in today's conference call, Dean won 56 of the 91 votes cast, according to sources. Fowler attracted 21 and Frost, Webb, former Rep. Timothy Roemer of Indiana and Simon Rosenberg, president of the centrist New Democrat Network, won three each. Also seeking the DNC job is former Ohio party chairman David Leland. In all, the state chairs group represents 112 members who will vote in the DNC race, including state vice-chairs and officials from several territories. Dean's support among the group's members stemmed from the view that he would be a strong fund-raiser and party spokesperson and - above all - would help change the DNC after the Democrats' disappointing losses in November, said Linda Honold, the Wisconsin state chair. "As people looked at what is the job of the national chair, he filled more of the criteria than the others," said Honold, who voted for Dean. Torres, who also backed Dean, said, "People in the Beltway are finally getting it that a lot of the [party] communities around the country really want change in the DNC." |
| QUOTE (Rationality @ Tuesday, 1 February 2005, 6:42 pm) |
| I just heard Frost is done, and Fowler's beginning to exxagerate his support. This race may already be over. |
| QUOTE (Dr. Left @ Wednesday, 2 February 2005, 7:51 am) |
| God I hope Dean wins, we need someone with balls not another pink tu tu. Doc |
| QUOTE (SilverSeraphim @ Friday, 4 February 2005, 12:14 am) | ||
Hmph. He talks a good talk...only time will tell if he can really walk it... |
| QUOTE (JackD @ Friday, 4 February 2005, 9:03 am) |
| Ok, so I said that I would find out how many commited votes dean has and I have the number. To win the seat he need 221 and right now has 213, in second place is Donnie Fowler with 13, and tied for last is Simon Rosenburg and Tim Roemer with 4. |
| QUOTE (Rationality @ Friday, 4 February 2005, 11:32 pm) |
| Rosenberg was portrayed as everyone's second choice between the DFA's and the DLC's, the compromise candidate. With him out and backing Dean, this isn't even a contest anymore. Dean's the chair. End of story. |