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Wednesday, July 26, 2006

Former NSA Director: "By any measure the US has long used terrorism"

Has the U.S. Government ever used terror?

Well, the New York Times has documented that Iranians working for the C.I.A. in the 1950's posed as Communists and staged bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president (see also this essay).

And, as confirmed by a former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence, NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed the communists, in order to rally people's support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Moreover, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. If you view no other links in this article, please read the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interviewwith the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings (click link entitled "Joint Chiefs Guilty-Northwoods").

In addition, the FBI had penetrated the cell which carried out the 1993 world trade center bombing, but had -- at the last minute -- cancelled the plan to have its FBI infiltrator substitute fake power for real explosives, against the infiltrator's strong wishes (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view).

And the anthrax attacks -- which were sent along with notes purportedly written by Islamic terrorists -- used a weaponized anthrax strain from the top U.S. bioweapons facility, the Fort Detrick military base. Indeed, top bioweapons experts have stated that the anthrax attack may have been a CIA test "gone wrong"; and see this article by a former NSA and naval intelligence officer. It is also interesting that the only congress people mailed anthrax-containing letters were key democrats, and that the attacks occurred one week before passage of the freedom-curtailing Patriot Act, which seems to have scared them and the rest of congress into passing that act without even reading it. And it might be coincidence, but White House staff began taking the anti-anthrax medicine before the Anthrax attacks occurred.

Even the former director of the National Security Agency said "By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In `78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism - in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation"(the audio is here). posted by George Washington at 10:25 AM

Is there a major power that hasn't employed terrorist like tactics at some point? This shouldn't surprise anyone.

The US KNEW that the Japanese would not surrender if the US had to invade the home islands.
Dropping those two Atomic Bombs was nothing more than an act of terror, and was done to cause an end to the war before there had to be an actual invasion.

The Germans terror bombed the Brits. Allied forces terror bombed the Germans.
Roman soldiers beat on their shields before the start of a battle.
Many American Natives used a very loud war cry.
The idea of causing fear in your enemy is as old as war it's self.

Doesn't excuse it .

Most absolutely doesn't excuse it. And if it surprises us, it is because we were naive enough to somewhere deepdown believe that our own government wouldn't harm its civililians...you know we are the reason the government is there. It is nothing without us, our toil, blood...forget it...

I have to say, that I feel very uncomfortable lately. Here, on this board, I am not so sure we can even freely speak anymore.

The FBI snuck in and shot up a sleeping peaceful camp at Pine Ridge in 74, to stop Native Americans from speaking out on the illegal strip-mining there.


If that wasn't a terrorist act, what is? Iran Contra? Operatives trying to assasinate Castro?

Wake up people we ARE who we fear.

So lemme see if this is correct.


War it's self is an abomination and as such is a crime against humanity.
But, if we're gonna commit war, then their should be civil rules of conduct?


Isn't this a bit like giviing a nice sweet curtsey just before you blow him away?



I see it this way. Terror is an itagral aspect of war, and one of the significant reasons war should be the option of VERY LAST option, and anything preemptive, is patently illegal AND immoral!


Terror and war are in effect, the same thing!

War is a rich man's terrorism and terrorism is a poor man's war. The "terrorists" of Hizbollah are firing WWII era rockets and Isreal is using American made weapons.

What should surprise America, IF America was awake enough to see the truth, is that the labels they apply to "OTHER" terrorist groups that define what they are as facts of what they do, that the American military/geopolitical strategy mirrors that same label's definition. That America, in order to label a war on terrorism, feels compelled to perpetuate terroristic tactics upon people's psychie.

We all agree that there IS NO major country that doesn't fall into this lie. The lie that says, "It's not terrorism when WE do it." It's caled hypocrcy and it needs to be called that and nothing else. Dressing it up in fu-fu language such as, "The War on terrorism" only makes it acceptable to swallow the BIG LIE.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Joseph Goebbels



"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies."
-- Adolf Hitler

And America just gave Israel Bunker Busters. These are DU bombs. WWIII or WWIV, depends if you call Gulf War I a Nuclear war or not. But either way, the next WW will be a nuclear war.

Operation Northwoods: Pentagon plotted terror in DC, Miami , and elsewhere in '62; plan proposed by some whackjob named Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer. McNamara never implemented it. It's been said Kennedy personally rejected the idea, but no official record exists (he's always has been MY president ) . De-classified just a few years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

If we can think it, what's to stop us from carring it out? our president? LOLOLOLololol

In a corporate country?
The bottom line, that's what!

Exactly. And what's more, it's even worse from a nation that claims to represent freedom, liberty, democracy, human rights, and universal values. And it's even worse when it's done on so wide and pervasive a scale, so frequently, for the most inhuman of reasons.

First it was "defending the faith."
The it was "The white man's burden."
Now it's "liberating the oppressed."

But regardless of how you spin it, it's all spelled M-U-R-D-E-R.

And yet we allow our Government to carry out opperations that result in M-U-R-D-E-R.

Is this how we celibrate FREEDOM?

Is this how we celibrate LIBERTY?



Keep in mind, what our Government carries out, comes back to burden us.

I didn't excuse it.

ummmm maybe because you are a plant, not in the nutritious, veggie kind either.

spying on legal oppostion parties is a form of terrorism. Just saying....shoe fit?

edit to add: this was in response to C.A.'s why are you always picking on me, which he just editted out. heh

I edited it out because I don't want to be confrontational. I have been nothing but respectful to every member of this forum, I wish to continue in that vein.

A plant huh? Paranoid aren't you? Spying on an internet discussion board? LOL! I'm here of my own free will, and if you can't accept that, its your problem not mine.

Anymore mindless accusations you'd like to throw around while your at it?

Oh yeah, interesting that you edited your response as well. Shoe fit?

I'm here of my own free will, too, and I don't even get a daily "must read" bulletin (you mentioned it in a previous post). Containing articles and issues that may be discussed here, or on other forae. Get suggested talking points, too? Suggested spin? If you were to get too offensive here, your trick would be blown. Nice is part of the job.

I'm not a plant. Thats the truth.

I hope your happy now wiretapthis, I really do.

See my post in the flame pit.

This is utter bullshit and slander.

nice! this pm is a great read, methinks he doth protest too much, and since when is a "maybe..blah blah, plant" an epitath? Slander, ha hahaha

\edit: guess i'm not supposed to post pm's, didnt know, sorry tj...just figured if he was gonna cuss at me, you'd want to know.

The epithet was the baseless accusation calling me a "plant" meaning, "spy" isn't that what you meant?

I would PM you but, it appears the "private" contained in the term "private message" is not to be taken literally here.

Besides, your in the wrong forum for personal attacks. Your off topic, I started a thread in the flame pit for your amusement.

relevance already stated, she says yawning:



free speech means I get to question.

If anyone was a plant, they would probably be a little more incospicuous. Maybe even present themselves as a liberal. Or a hippy. Or a mom in an orange shirt.

You pegged me! My cover is sooooo blown!

Who was that Black Panther that the FBI executed while he was in his house, unarmed? His name escapes me right now.

OK, shall we get back on the topic of this thread?
Are we finished terrorising each other?

HA! I KNEW it!

Fred Hampton and Mark Clark, in Chicago. Shot in their beds by Chicago's finest. 1967.

Another GREAT example OF and HOW the American system that is there to protect us IS capable of carrying out acts of terror and torture. The question is WHY? Not specific to Zook's example per-say, but in general. WHY must a Government feel it acceptable to play upon the Psyche of their people?

I mean, the Government does know that their people WANT to trust their officials and authorities, RIGHT?

Then can't we assume that it is a psy-ops perpetrated upon their own people?

And if so, what does that make those that take advantage OF that trust?

Selfish and extremely short sighted little men who are dominated and controlled by their own insecurities.

Webster's University Dictionary

Systematic use of violence, terror, and intimidation to achieve an end.


US Dept of Defense

The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.


US State Department

International terrorism is terrorism conducted with the support of a foreign government or organization and / or directed against foreign nationals, institutions or governments.


FBI

Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.


I would suggest that the FBI's definition fits the Iraq invasion perfectly.

I would venture that the US invasion of Iraq would fit the other three definitions as well.

9/11, psyops, false flag operations.

eg. Israel

eg. Iraq